> Mavericks is solid, but you have to get used to some of the iOS-like features 
> in things like file-handling and open-save dialog boxes. It's overly strict 
> in associating files on iCloud with particular programs. Perhaps I’m an old 
> fuddy-duddy, but I’m not yet convinced that the new file-less and 
> directory-less paradigm is a better way to go. I tend to use DropBox and 
> Google Drive a lot more than iCloud because I feel like I’m using my files 
> the way I want to rather than adhering to the vision of some martinet in 
> Cupertino.



I do use Dropbox, and save 99% of my work there. When creating an iWorks in 
snow leopard I navigate to where I want the file saved. I don't just save it in 
iCloud.  I assume that under mavericks I would be able to redirect iworks files 
to dropbox as I do in Snow Leopard - is this true Lee? I too am a fuddy duddy.


> The upgrades to Mail have some real problems with Gmail under IMAP. Gmail 
> doesn't really do true IMAP, and Mail, which does do by-the-book IMAP quite 
> well, sometimes get confused. Apple issued an update to address some of the 
> issues, but my Gmail is still flakey.

I don't use gmail but have set up my bellsouth (yahoo) account as an iMap 
account per instructions Ed Wiser pointed me to several months ago. Will 
Mavericks mess this up?

> If you have an Airport router, Apple makes you use Airport Utility 6.3 
> instead of the older Airport Utility 5.6. This is bad because the newer AU is 
> really dumbed-down and doesn't have nearly the power of the older one. It's 
> again a case of a program being dumbed-down to work like the iOS counterpar


I have a uverse router/modem/landline so don’t know if my Mac uses the Airport 
utility.

> When you upgrade to Mavericks, Apple will also want you to upgrade all the 
> iWorks stuff to get better iCloud support. The problem is the newer versions 
> of Numbers, Keynote and Pages aren't as capable as the iWorks 09 versions 
> they replace; they have the lesser features of the iOS incarnations. (If you 
> have the older iWorks 09, Apple leaves them in place so you can continue to 
> use them.) My problem is the new versions on the iPad only support files 
> created on the dumbed-down versions, so I’m forced to convert over to the new 
> Keynote in order to do presentations with the iPad.

I don't use iWorks much - I am a NEO Office kind of guy. However I have created 
a keynote presentation for my iPad which I use with some students I work with. 
I haven't used it in a while so, after reading this I went to dropbox, on my 
iPhone, opened my keynote file and while it shows up and I can see the 
individual pages I cannot run a slide show. Interesting! (I tried to open the 
folder with the keynote presentation on my iPad Mini (running the same ios 
version as my iphone and get a message saying “Unable to load folder.”

Thanks for your response Lee. I guess I will have to think long and hard about 
upgrading. 

Anyone else want to chime in on this?


Thanks to all who have responded so far.

Harry


On Jan 11, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Lee Larson <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Jan 10, 2014, at 10:38 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> I haven't yet upgraded to Mavericks. When I asked about it back in October 
>> the consensus was, with a few exceptions, pretty good. Is that still the 
>> consensus?
> 
> Mavericks is solid, but you have to get used to some of the iOS-like features 
> in things like file-handling and open-save dialog boxes. It's overly strict 
> in associating files on iCloud with particular programs. Perhaps I’m an old 
> fuddy-duddy, but I’m not yet convinced that the new file-less and 
> directory-less paradigm is a better way to go. I tend to use DropBox and 
> Google Drive a lot more than iCloud because I feel like I’m using my files 
> the way I want to rather than adhering to the vision of some martinet in 
> Cupertino.
> 
> The upgrades to Mail have some real problems with Gmail under IMAP. Gmail 
> doesn't really do true IMAP, and Mail, which does do by-the-book IMAP quite 
> well, sometimes get confused. Apple issued an update to address some of the 
> issues, but my Gmail is still flakey.
> 
> When you upgrade to Mavericks, Apple will also want you to upgrade all the 
> iWorks stuff to get better iCloud support. The problem is the newer versions 
> of Numbers, Keynote and Pages aren't as capable as the iWorks 09 versions 
> they replace; they have the lesser features of the iOS incarnations. (If you 
> have the older iWorks 09, Apple leaves them in place so you can continue to 
> use them.) My problem is the new versions on the iPad only support files 
> created on the dumbed-down versions, so I’m forced to convert over to the new 
> Keynote in order to do presentations with the iPad.
> 
> Safari under Mavericks has backtracked on some of the HTML5 stuff from 
> previous versions — most notably MathML. Its new security model makes running 
> Java off Web pages bothersome.
> 
> If you have an Airport router, Apple makes you use Airport Utility 6.3 
> instead of the older Airport Utility 5.6. This is bad because the newer AU is 
> really dumbed-down and doesn't have nearly the power of the older one. It's 
> again a case of a program being dumbed-down to work like the iOS counterpart.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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