You're not going to get "giclee-quality" prints from them, but I'm much happier 
with the output I'm getting from my new laser (image 
<https://cl.ly/3n293b1r232S>) than the streaky-deaky results I was used to 
seeing from my inkjet (even on high quality setting) unless I ran it through 
three cleaning cycles immediately before.

I've never tried the stuff, but I see that Staples stocks actual glossy photo 
paper for laser printers 
<http://www.staples.com/Staples-Photo-Supreme-Paper-8-1-2-x-11-Gloss-100-Pack/product_651611>.
  If I did any real photo work, I'd be wiling to try the stuff, but I really 
don't.

The toner cartridges last a pretty long time.  I don't see a vast difference in 
expense between the manufacturer ink cartridges and the manufacturer toner 
cartridges over the same number of copies.  And you never have to waste the ink 
in cleaning cycles.


> On Feb 21, 2017, at 9:21 PM, Carl Hoefs <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> "Plays well with Macs" goes a long way with me.
> 
> I looked at the Brother color lasers online. They all say "Amazon Dash 
> Replenishment Enabled." Again, that sounds like 'phones home', no? I assume 
> (hope?) that's user-selectable.
> 
> Concerning color lasers, do they print as nicely as inkjets? We do a lot of 
> photo-quality banners, labels, etc, and the inkjets excel at that, nice, 
> clear and bright. Never used a color laser, so I don't know if they produce 
> vibrant, glossy color prints or not.
> 
> Also, a replacement set of toner cartridges is $135! I hope they last longer 
> than inkjet cartridges!
> -Carl
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Macs R We <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just retired a Brother MFC-6980CDW inkjet.  It was designed by an idiot — 
>> the first lemon I've ever had from them.  No configuration webpage, a tiny 
>> primary paper drawer, a massive secondary paper drawer — except duplex 
>> printing was only possible from the first drawer, AND the printer 
>> automatically went to the second drawer when the first was empty (who 
>> thought this design combination was a good idea?)  There was also no 
>> single-page feed slot for things like label runs, etc.
>> 
>> Yes, it drank a lot of ink, mainly because it needed continuous cleaning the 
>> more it aged.  Never had an offline problem, but the second drawer hasn't 
>> fed in three years despite attempts at roller cleaning.  Still, I got seven 
>> solid years good use out of the printer, which is not shabby, and it still 
>> works pretty well (I just got tired of catering to it).
>> 
>> And yeah, the customer service was brain-dead (e.g., rep wrote me a message 
>> telling me how to access the configuration webpage that didn't exist on that 
>> model, etc.)  But I haven't seen notably superior performance from other 
>> manufacturers, either.
>> 
>> Still, given my significantly worse experiences with HP and Epson, I 
>> replaced it last month with a color laser Brother MFC, offering duplex 
>> printing and duplex scanning.  So far, life has been really good.
>> 
>> What I've always liked about Brother is that they play well with Macs.  They 
>> do things like configuration and wireless the way the Mac OS wants to do 
>> them, and not as some not-invented-here megalomaniac in the home office 
>> decrees they will be done (e.g., HP bloatware / startup daemons / 
>> configuration suites).
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Carl Hoefs <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Macs R We <[email protected] 
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Is there an inkjet printer (Brother, Canon, Epson) that can be installed 
>>>>> without phoning home?
>>>> 
>>>> Brothers don't.  They will if you ask them to update their firmware 
>>>> automatically, but you can always do it manually if you want.
>>> 
>>> I'm game. But looking on Amazon, the Brother inkjets have fairly high 
>>> 1-star ratings, anywhere from 10%-25%, mostly complaining about how much 
>>> ink they drink, printers going offline, poor quality prints, miserable 
>>> customer service, and paper jamming issues. Sigh.
>>> 
>>> Brother Printer MFC-J470DW:   25% 1-star ratings
>>> Brother Printer MFC-J680DW:   13% 1-star ratings
>>> Brother Printer MFC-J985DW:   10% 1-star ratings
>>> 
>>> This last one (the 10%er) uses something called 'INKvestment Cartridges'. 
>>> That sounds suspiciously like 'phone home' cartridges. Stay away? Any 
>>> recommendations?
>>> -Carl
>>> 
>> 
> 

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