Ah.  It sounds like you're having problems with multiple monitors.  I use 
multiple desktops on the laptop monitor only, so I have no experience with the 
deficiencies you appear to be describing.  I also haven't had apps "collapse to 
a single desktop" to my knowledge.  But I leave my laptop on 24/7 (I just sleep 
the display when I'm not using it) so I can always access it remotely if need 
be — since I rarely sleep or shutdown the machine, that's perhaps why I haven't 
seen any collapsing.

> On Aug 1, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2018-07-29, at 7:17 PM, Macs R We <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:10 PM, Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have tried to do something like this for years, but I have concluded that 
>>> Apple's implementation of virtual desktops is just broken. I can never 
>>> manage to have one app happy to have windows on multiple desktops (Finder, 
>>> and TextEdit, are the worst behaving for me, Terminal isn't too far behind),
>> 
>> Hm.  I often run with Finder windows open on multiple desktops, sometimes 
>> TextEdit, rarely Terminal, and very often Safari.  They seem to work fine 
>> for me, or perhaps I just have lower functional expectations. The most 
>> annoying functional lacuna I experience is that using command-tilde to cycle 
>> through an app's active windows cycles only through the windows on that 
>> desktop (making me wonder why I can't seem to find the window I remember 
>> having left open, until I realize it's because it's not on the current 
>> desktop).
>> 
>>> restoring apps doesn't restore their windows to the desktop (Well, Finder 
>>> will *usually*, not always, behave here),
>> 
>> I don't know if you're talking about resurrecting them from a Dock 
>> pigeonhole, or automatically re-opening them after a reboot, so I can't 
>> parse this complaint.
> 
> After a reboot. Or, if the system thinks that it is safe to kill and relaunch 
> it later.
> 
> For example, this morning, although this is not a virtual desktop issue, 
> Finder, Mail, and Terminal re-opened all of their windows on the internal 
> monitor, nothing on the HDMI monitor. Which means that they resized the big 
> windows down to the internal monitor size.
> 
> I've had things collapse onto a single desktop so often that I have just 
> stopped trying to separate them. It's not worth trying to spend a significant 
> amount of time setting up projects that way only to know that it will (not 
> if, when) break.
> 
> It's worse when you consider that Apple does not back up Saved Application 
> State to time machine, so in some cases, not only does everything reset to 
> the current desktop on startup, but things will also go to "All windows are 
> reopened as default size and random placement", and you can't restore the 
> previous day's window state.
> 
>> 
>>> and the general "feel" that I get is that Apple's view of virtual desktops 
>>> is "This desktop is for this app", not "this desktop is for this workflow".
>> 
>> Maybe my brain is insufficiently object-oriented.  I typically don't use the 
>> same app for different workflows simultaneously (except for looking up 
>> things in Safari, or taking notes in TextEdit, and these both seem to work 
>> fine for me).
> 
> Finder, TextEdit, Terminal, and Mail are consistently multi-project programs 
> for me. And they consistently fail/collapse to a single desktop. And this 
> morning they collapsed to a single monitor.
> 
> 
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