While this is true, even in the older systems a bad PRAM battery would cause 
mischief only when the machine was disconnected from all other power (for a 
laptop, that means adapterless and batteryless; for a desktop, that means 
unplugged or shut off with the power button, not slept). Otherwise, the Mac 
will always maintain power to those functions using the non-internal-battery 
power source. Unless you have a desktop, and unless you explicitly shut it down 
or have a home power failure, the PRAM battery (where present) will never come 
into play.

> On May 7, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Karl Kuehn <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Michael,
>    I think you are misunderstanding what it going on with a bad PRAM battery. 
> The time being off is a side-effect, not the proximate cause of the problems 
> (restarts, etc). The problem is that the clock is not trustable (so not 
> always going the right direction), along with the maintaining consistency 
> with a number of firmware setting (think about mismatches between what 
> hardware and software think is happening). There probably is also some issue 
> with greying-out the power management hardware (which depends on that 
> battery).
> 
>    I don’t know if there is a separate battery anymore (and never knew it for 
> laptops), but I do know that people rarely knew to even look for problems 
> with the batteries (Apple techs included), and so I was able to solve a few 
> “unsolvable” issues with older hardware (way back when).
> 
> —
>       Karl Kuehn
>       [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Macs R We <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, yes and no. 
>> 
>> It's true a system clock time being set badly can screw up the encryption 
>> services, and that's one thing that a dead internal battery will cause. I 
>> save installation packages for all past OSX systems, and to install them I 
>> often have to set the system clock way back to be within their certificates' 
>> (short) expiration dates. Sometimes I forget to set it back, and start 
>> getting strange errors like "this website's certificate is not yet valid" 
>> until I remember. But it doesn't cause panics.  And you would be able to 
>> figure out if that's a problem by just checking your current system time. 
>> Since Apple started making all their laptops with non-removable batteries, I 
>> don't think they even include a separate internal battery anymore.
>> 
>> If you are getting true panics, you must have panic dumps available 
>> somewhere in the log area, and should be able to scan those.
>> 
>> You should be able to examine your root certificates in Keychain Access; the 
>> app should be able to help you identify an untrusted one.
>> 
>> Another thing that can cause reboots is benign — having the installation 
>> system set to install updates automatically, and some of these updates 
>> require a reboot. Usually the symptom of this is that you wake up to find 
>> yourself back at the login window. Still, the system logs would also 
>> identify this as a reboot reason.
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Michael <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm. "easy" enough to check, I just have to ... not ... use ... my computer 
>>> ... for a weekend? ...
>>> 
>>> Maybe a few days midweek.
>>> 
>>> On 2020-05-07, at 11:55 AM, larkost <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have no idea if this is the problem, but back when I was in the 
>>>> troubleshooting Macs business one problem I ran into was the PRAM battery 
>>>> (yes, wrong name, but...) going bad. It would cause all sorts of 
>>>> mysterious problems until replaced.
>>>> 
>>>> The way of checking for this was to:
>>>> 1. On a Friday make sure that the system time was set.
>>>> 2. Disconnect the computer from all network connections, and unplug it 
>>>> from power.
>>>> 3. Leave it over the weekend unplugged.
>>>> 4. If the time was wrong when you booted up on Monday, then you found your 
>>>> problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course this was with desktops, And a number of years ago. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 7, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Michael <[email protected] 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is unhappy for me also; I have gotten two panics in just about a 
>>>>> week.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Absolutely nothing odd recorded in the system log.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Meanwhile, on reboot, I see this message in the log:
>>>>> 
>>>>> May  7 11:09:28 keybounceMBP apsd[141]: Failed to evaluate trust: No 
>>>>> error. (0), result=5; retrying with revocation checking optional
>>>>> May  7 11:09:28 keybounceMBP apsd[141]: failed to evaluate trust: No 
>>>>> error. (0), result=5; retrying with system roots
>>>>> May  7 11:09:28 keybounceMBP apsd[141]: Root certificate is not 
>>>>> explicitly trusted
>>>>> May  7 11:09:28 keybounceMBP apsd[141]: Unrecognized leaf certificate
>>>>> May  7 11:09:30 keybounceMBP SecurityAgent[215]: User info context values 
>>>>> set for >console
>>>>> May  7 11:09:30 keybounceMBP loginwindow[120]: Login Window - Returned 
>>>>> from Security Agent
>>>>> 
>>>>> What would make "Failure to evaluate trust: no error"?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would this be in any way related to some https web sites now refusing to 
>>>>> work because the certificate chain cannot be verified (the website in 
>>>>> question is just fine).
>>>>> 
>>>>> OS: 10.9.5.
>>>>> 
>>>>> System crash reporter directory shows nothing. There's networking diags 
>>>>> from just after the reboot.
>>>>> 
>>>>> System diagnostics ... nothing new, but there was stuff from powerstats 
>>>>> just after midnight. There's a LOT of powerstat information over time 
>>>>> there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ... and a lot of wakeup and CPU dumps from firefox. Hmm.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2020-05-07, at 8:33 AM, Chris Walker <[email protected] 
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tried to find the last reboot which *I think* was between 09 & 09:30am.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All I could find in the system log was that it rebooted shortly after 
>>>>>> 9:00 am with no specified reason.  The other logs didn’t tell me 
>>>>>> anything that I could understand but it may be that I have the time 
>>>>>> wrong and am therefore looking in the wrong place.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m wondering if the best thing is to reinstall the system although that 
>>>>>> may leave something in place that really shouldn't be there, but until I 
>>>>>> can narrow the time down more accurately it’s a bit like looking for a 
>>>>>> needle in a haystack.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 7 May 2020, at 11:26, Macs R We <[email protected] 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Look at System Information for your current uptime. Compute the time of 
>>>>>>> your last reboot. Launch Console and look at the system log, the 
>>>>>>> Diagnostic Reports folders (2), and the CrashReporter folder to see 
>>>>>>> what macOS claimed was the reason for the reboot.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 7, 2020, at 1:21 AM, Chris Walker <[email protected] 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi all:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I keep getting random restarts.  Whilst I’m away from the machine it 
>>>>>>>> will perform a restart for no reason I can determine.  I have had 
>>>>>>>> problems with the power prefs not sticking but that appears to have 
>>>>>>>> been solved.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The machine feels warm but not unduly, so I don’t think it’s 
>>>>>>>> temperature related.  I’ve scanned for malware using ClamXAV which 
>>>>>>>> found nothing and a recent Apple Diagnostic found no problems.  I have 
>>>>>>>> an LG 24” 4K display connected via Thunderbolt.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Gatekeeper and XProtect are up to date.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Anyone any ideas as to the cause or possible solutions?  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mac Mini 2018, 3.2Ghz core i7; 32Gb Ram, MacOS 10.14.6
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Chris
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