Even better then... Laurent and crew have done brilliant work to date... That alone gives me confidence in macruby... Given a choice of objc v ruby sorry ruby wins for me :)
Terry Moore On 18/10/2011, at 10:48 AM, Igor Evsukov <igor.evsu...@gmail.com> wrote: > GC isn't an issue at all. There are apps on the AppStore that written in > C#(Mono) or Lua which uses it own VM's with garbage collection. > > I think that the main issue why Apple don't support MacRuby officially on iOS > is high memory usage. Potentially, if MacRuby will be shipped with iOS, so it > can be used as a shared library memory usage will more or less acceptable. > But this step require MacRuby to be very stable and mature because Apple > wouldn't update an iOS with each minor MacRuby release. > > On 18 окт. 2011, at 00:35, Terry Moore wrote: > >> So I can understand not having gc on ios those cycles are precious. But >> looking ahead the hardware is moving to multicore and larger ram... In which >> case (perhaps including blocking for high priority tasks) a gc could be used >> without the current restrictions... >> >> Terry Moore >> >> On 18/10/2011, at 10:26 AM, Igor Evsukov <igor.evsu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Henry, >>> >>>> This doesn't explain why MacRuby can't be implemented with ARC rather than >>>> relying on the OBJ-C 2 garbage collector. >>> Do You know what the difference between Garbage Collection and Reference >>> Counting? >>> >>> Current MacRuby VM implementation heavily depends on presence of GC. >>> Potentially You could modify it to use ARC instead. The question is how >>> much time do you need to spent on it and how you plan to support C >>> extensions? >>> >>> Again, please, watch the end of Joshua Ballanco talk at BostonRB ( >>> http://bostonrb.org/presentations/macruby-what-is-it-and-why-should-i-care-part-1 >>> ) when he talk about issues of porting MacRuby to iOS. It isn't an issue >>> to move MacRuby to it's own GC, there even was some efforts to do it >>> https://github.com/takuma104/iphone-macruby >>> >>> On 17 окт. 2011, at 23:28, Henry Maddocks wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 17/10/2011, at 7:11 PM, Igor Evsukov wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Henry, >>>>> >>>>>>> And it's impossible to make Ruby to use ARC. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why? >>>>> For memory management Objective-C uses a paradigm called "reference >>>>> counting". >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>>> In Ruby we have garbage collector which is acts in whole different way >>>> >>>> I understand all this. But I'm not asking about _Ruby_, I'm asking about >>>> the MacRuby OBJ-C implementation of the Ruby language. >>>> >>>>> So, basically, ARC and GC are two conceptually different things which are >>>>> even not replaceable by each other(circular references). >>>> >>>> This doesn't explain why MacRuby can't be implemented with ARC rather than >>>> relying on the OBJ-C 2 garbage collector. >>>> >>>> Henry >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> MacRuby-devel mailing list >>>> MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforge.org >>>> http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacRuby-devel mailing list >>> MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforge.org >>> http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel >> _______________________________________________ >> MacRuby-devel mailing list >> MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforge.org >> http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel > > _______________________________________________ > MacRuby-devel mailing list > MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforge.org > http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel
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