Hi Sven,

Thanks for the feedback.  I'd just like to encourage anyone with a rev
3 macbook pro to share their experiences on this list.  Please also
see below.

On 7/10/07, Sven Anders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I recommend to wait at least till end of the month to seen, how good the
> nvidia support really is and what influence this has on the heat and
> battery life issues...
>

Unfortunately I will be in the US soon which means I can get a
replacement for a lot less money otherwise I would (since I live in
europe) so I can't just wait til later.  Has no one successfully run
the closed source nvidia drivers with the 8600?  I know they've had
some linux problems but I presume at least someone has gotten them to
work.


> During the winter (in Germany), my fans rotate at about 2000 RPM (like in
> MacOSX most of the time). Now, in the summer the average temperture is
> at least 10 degrees higher. So my fans now rotate at 3000 RPM most of the
> time.

This is interesting.  Its hard to tell with my machine right now since
I've upgraded to Ubuntu Gutsy which broke pommed and a lot of other
stuff but I don't think this is how things used to work (so it now
seems to run even hotter).  If I recall the machine seemed to start at
2000 rpm but eventually just crawl up to 5k and then back down again,
etc...  I do often run Xgl which might be the problem.  The problem is
that most of the time I'm in linux I'm trying to upgrade/compile stuff
so I stress the processor which heats it up.  What kernel are you
running and have you done anything to minimize heat generation (I know
you've been playing with this for a long time so I'm sure you have)?

>
> I think the problem are the unusable power savings mechanisms of the
> ATI graphics card (and maybe the unoptimized power saving of the CPU,
> i.e. kernel drivers, USB, etc...) so the average CPU/GPU temperature is
> higher and the fans need to transport more heat out of the box...
>
> > Are there other driver issues that
> > don't exist on the V2?  Can you suspend?  The more info the better.  I
> > think you probably know all the relevant issues.
>
> Have you compared the output of 'lspci' and 'lsusb'? Is the only
> difference the graphics card?

No, I'm guessing someone's posted the rev 3 outputs somewhere so i
should compare them.


>
> Some other laptops are much louder! But if you take on the big and heavy
> ones, these may be quieter...
>

Yeah I've seen a 17" sony running beryl with an nvidia card work
amazingly smoothly and with no sound generation but I think size might
be a big issue there.  I also have a sony 17" with an ati radeon
mobility 9700 though and it was always very loud when running beryl
(though its old so the fans might just be dirty).

>
> Not really. I think the MacBook has one of the best combinations of hardware
> parts...

Well this looks very exciting:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeSoftwareLaptop

Unfortunately its probably months or years away ;-(  There's an
exciting amout of new linux-oriented open hardware (see openmoko).

cheers,
Sheer

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