Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook and i attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the numpad commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro?
Thanks James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Jurgensen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > HI, > > They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as > anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. >> There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you read >> this somewhere or did someone tell you this? >> >> On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to >>> be >>> in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. >>> But I don't think it is. >>> I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it easy. >>> I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just like >>> the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been >>> made >>> that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there in >>> are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. >>> But >>> understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware the >>> interest is out there. >>> >>> The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main >>> thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. >>> Apple >>> has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put >>> in a >>> lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple has >>> not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they >>> have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do the >>> developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to >>> cut >>> them a little slack. >>> Best wishes. >>> Jenny >>> >>> On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the >>>> general >>>> public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's primarily >>>> intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of >>>> WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the >>>> other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. >>>> Marsh >>>> >>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I >>>>> won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features >>>>> would >>>>> not hurt and I encourage you to contact [email protected] and >>>>> make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not considered >>>>> this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve >>>>> and >>>>> insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be >>>>> time >>>>> to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply >>>>> not >>>>> enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly the >>>>> number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and apps, >>>>> but >>>>> it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be nice >>>>> to >>>>> see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other features >>>>> of >>>>> the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an >>>>> entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I did. I >>>>> can >>>>> understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all >>>>> want to >>>>> know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it >>>>> has >>>>> not happen. >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all >>>>>> >>>>>> I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am >>>>>> ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal >>>>>> responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I >>>>>> wonder >>>>>> if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the >>>>>> proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations >>>>>> of >>>>>> upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to >>>>>> explain >>>>>> myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as >>>>>> blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no >>>>>> one >>>>>> is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for >>>>>> us >>>>>> to listen to. Scott you said >>>>>> >>>>>> "You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted >>>>>> counterpart." >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live >>>>>> demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their >>>>>> money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When >>>>>> Leopard >>>>>> came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's >>>>>> website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a >>>>>> demonstration >>>>>> on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again >>>>>> offered >>>>>> a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the >>>>>> exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the >>>>>> iPhone if >>>>>> you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of >>>>>> VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base >>>>>> should >>>>>> give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before >>>>>> an >>>>>> audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, >>>>>> but >>>>>> is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility >>>>>> page >>>>>> really too much to ask? >>>>>> >>>>>> It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my >>>>>> sighted >>>>>> counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. >>>>>> The >>>>>> sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, >>>>>> just >>>>>> as >>>>>> I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to >>>>>> watch >>>>>> movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The >>>>>> average >>>>>> sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just >>>>>> as I >>>>>> don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just >>>>>> seems >>>>>> wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that apple customers should be shown the things they care >>>>>> about. Some people care about photos on the mac, so they show >>>>>> them. >>>>>> Some people care about listening to music and watching videos, so >>>>>> they >>>>>> show it. Some people want to be productive in a business setting >>>>>> on >>>>>> their macs, so they show productivity. Some people care about the >>>>>> development tools, so they show those. In our case, we care about >>>>>> accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people >>>>>> looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers >>>>>> spending money on apple products. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure >>>>>> that >>>>>> I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on >>>>>> apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility >>>>>> improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements >>>>>> in >>>>>> speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't >>>>>> feel >>>>>> the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally >>>>>> listen >>>>>> to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. >>>>>> Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of >>>>>> future >>>>>> apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that >>>>>> their >>>>>> sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at >>>>>> times >>>>>> hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues >>>>>> to >>>>>> elude me. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is >>>>>> becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the >>>>>> common >>>>>> consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell >>>>>> me >>>>>> why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life >>>>>> profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most >>>>>> certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause >>>>>> my >>>>>> conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those >>>>>> around >>>>>> me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in >>>>>> perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this >>>>>> error. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards >>>>>> Justin Harford >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know >>>>>>> anything >>>>>>> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind >>>>>>> does >>>>>>> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes >>>>>>> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >>>>>>> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be included in my view >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> Red flag, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA >>>>>>>>> compliant. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It will. >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> ship >>>>>>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha >>>>>>>>>>>> scritto: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen >>>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in >>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind altogether. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over - was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "william lomas" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i guess we will not know these details really until the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be any problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Howell" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $30 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not have considered or realized. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safari or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other web browsers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bummed I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'll of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smiley : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aluminum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine on your model. The most significant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G4/G5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commands, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issued >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the trackpad are the same commands you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. It is another means to interact with the os >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard to say what the future holds for such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trackpad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how the trackpad could behave and a little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagination >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> April >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 08 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is the little white one. I adore it and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the os will work but will VO function >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortcuts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any answers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello James, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> I've been reading the new VO features in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leopard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where di you read this please ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claude Renaud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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