HI, No. The older Macbooks used to have a built-in Numpad overlay. The external numpads and esktop keyboard number pads still work in Leopard.
Regards, Alex, On 9-Jul-09, at 7:06 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi Alex, are you saying that if I were to buy an ordinary MacBook > and i > attached a desktop keyboard to it, I would be unable to use the numpad > commander. Is this also the case for MacBook Pro? > > Thanks > > James > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Jurgensen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard > > >> >> HI, >> >> They scrapped the number pad on the Macbooks,, but as far as >> anythingelse, I have not heard anyting. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 9-Jul-09, at 2:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Jenny, what gave you the idea they would scrap the Numpad Commander. >>> There is nothing that indicates there was any such plan. Did you >>> read >>> this somewhere or did someone tell you this? >>> >>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Okay hi. If I remember correctly the num pad commander was going to >>>> be >>>> in SL. I thought I read in this thred that it was getting scrapped. >>>> But I don't think it is. >>>> I know we have to wait 'til September. But that doesn't make it >>>> easy. >>>> I think we shoould have demos of the accessibility features just >>>> like >>>> the sighted people get a peak at stuff. But good points have been >>>> made >>>> that WWDC is for developers. Although the keynote and demos there >>>> in >>>> are made public. So I think it would be nice to have access demos. >>>> But >>>> understand they may not have enough people to do this or unaware >>>> the >>>> interest is out there. >>>> >>>> The windows access providers offer demos because that is their main >>>> thing. To move windows access. So of corse they will have demos. >>>> Apple >>>> has all sorts of stuff going on. I'm not mad about it or feel put >>>> in a >>>> lower class of users or anything. I think it is so awesome Apple >>>> has >>>> not only built in access but done such a steller job with what they >>>> have. It seems that they listen to us when we have trouble as do >>>> the >>>> developers of many software offerings for the mac. So I'm going to >>>> cut >>>> them a little slack. >>>> Best wishes. >>>> Jenny >>>> >>>> On 7/8/09, Marshall Scott <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Another thing to remember is that WWDC is not intended for the >>>>> general >>>>> public. You have to pay to get into the meeting and it's >>>>> primarily >>>>> intended for developers. Also, I believe that most of the rest of >>>>> WWDC is under NDA. I've heard you can actually buy videos of the >>>>> other sessions but I don't think they're inexpensive. >>>>> Marsh >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I >>>>>> won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features >>>>>> would >>>>>> not hurt and I encourage you to contact [email protected] >>>>>> and >>>>>> make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not >>>>>> considered >>>>>> this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve >>>>>> and >>>>>> insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be >>>>>> time >>>>>> to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply >>>>>> not >>>>>> enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly >>>>>> the >>>>>> number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and >>>>>> apps, >>>>>> but >>>>>> it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be >>>>>> nice >>>>>> to >>>>>> see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other >>>>>> features >>>>>> of >>>>>> the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an >>>>>> entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I >>>>>> did. I >>>>>> can >>>>>> understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all >>>>>> want to >>>>>> know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it >>>>>> has >>>>>> not happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, >>>>>>> I am >>>>>>> ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal >>>>>>> responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I >>>>>>> wonder >>>>>>> if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the >>>>>>> proposition that we should have some sort of audio >>>>>>> demonstrations >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to >>>>>>> explain >>>>>>> myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as >>>>>>> blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> us >>>>>>> to listen to. Scott you said >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted >>>>>>> counterpart." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live >>>>>>> demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest >>>>>>> their >>>>>>> money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When >>>>>>> Leopard >>>>>>> came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's >>>>>>> website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a >>>>>>> demonstration >>>>>>> on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again >>>>>>> offered >>>>>>> a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the >>>>>>> iPhone if >>>>>>> you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of >>>>>>> VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care >>>>>>> less, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> is putting up a little audio demonstration on their >>>>>>> accessibility >>>>>>> page >>>>>>> really too much to ask? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my >>>>>>> sighted >>>>>>> counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to >>>>>>> watch >>>>>>> movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The >>>>>>> average >>>>>>> sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just >>>>>>> as I >>>>>>> don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just >>>>>>> seems >>>>>>> wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that apple customers should be shown the things they >>>>>>> care >>>>>>> about. Some people care about photos on the mac, so they show >>>>>>> them. >>>>>>> Some people care about listening to music and watching videos, >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> show it. Some people want to be productive in a business >>>>>>> setting >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> their macs, so they show productivity. Some people care about >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> development tools, so they show those. In our case, we care >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people >>>>>>> looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers >>>>>>> spending money on apple products. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on >>>>>>> apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility >>>>>>> improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't >>>>>>> feel >>>>>>> the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally >>>>>>> listen >>>>>>> to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. >>>>>>> Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of >>>>>>> future >>>>>>> apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that >>>>>>> their >>>>>>> sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at >>>>>>> times >>>>>>> hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> elude me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the >>>>>>> common >>>>>>> consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and >>>>>>> tell >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life >>>>>>> profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I >>>>>>> most >>>>>>> certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those >>>>>>> around >>>>>>> me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in >>>>>>> perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> error. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>> Justin Harford >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know >>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>> different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being >>>>>>>> blind >>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>> not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the >>>>>>>> NDA >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and >>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also >>>>>>>> jeopardizes >>>>>>>> future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a >>>>>>>> contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> are legally bound and obligated to comply with the agreement. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know >>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> be included in my view >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> Red flag, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA >>>>>>>>>> compliant. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It will. >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself >>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>> ship >>>>>>>>>>>> with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>> whether >>>>>>>>>>>> we are still locked down to using acapella >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> i did not understand this post. >>>>>>>>>>>>> i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>> rk >>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha >>>>>>>>>>>>> scritto: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it says on the site the quickstart is localised in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eighteen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined >>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posts, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes, Simon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged my messages and have offered support where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like and would continue to use Windows for things but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why I'm going to purchase a new one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Simon Cavendish" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broader support in refreshable Braille for other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind altogether. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think I remember reading that something - it may have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over - was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. However, if you can some way implement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BRLTTY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we may get native foreign language Braille support. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based, so this should not be too difficult. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "william lomas" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there a complete list of new features? i.e. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .do we get new language voices i wonder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . new braille support in other alnguages? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i guess we will not know these details really until >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James & Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be any problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Scott Howell" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $30 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very small price to pay for the improvements and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not have considered or realized. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UPgrading won't give us for example, access to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safari or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other web browsers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bummed I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens first. But as this one is still fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know by the time it comes time for me to get a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'll of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up with many more new and cool things. : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smiley : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breths and all. I still think that's uber cool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Scott Howell <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aluminum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine on your model. The most significant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G4/G5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines will not be supported by SL. I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commands, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issued >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the trackpad are the same commands you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. It is another means to interact with the os >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard to say what the future holds for such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trackpad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point is that if you have heard the iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how the trackpad could behave and a little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagination >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> April >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 08 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is the little white one. I adore it and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the os will work but will VO function >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortcuts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any answers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello James, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JN> I've been reading the new VO features in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leopard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where di you read this please ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claude Renaud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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