virtual box on mac os 10 was a dissatisfying experience for me. When I finally went gui I lobotomized the part of my brain that did command line stuff, and expected the gui to work. It is a sadness to report that at this time Virtualbox wasn't vo-friendly in the environment I chose to work in. Having said that, there have been others who have made it dance from the command line. On 19-Jul-09, at 5:57 AM, James & Nash wrote:
> > Just for your interest, in France, JAWS 10 is not available yet. > JFW 9 has > only quite recently come out. But yes the AT venders are greatly > overpriced > and in the case of one of them, I honestly don't think they should > have > charged for the last three versions as there was nothing worth > charging for. > In my opinion. Also they have introduced a feature which they > charge for > despite consumers already having bought the product in the first > place. > > Out of interest, which virtualization software do you use? Does > Virtual Box > work on MacOSX? > > Take care > > James > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Jurgensen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone > > >> >> Hi, >> James, >> >> I disagree. When working in a primarily Windows network I had no >> problem accessing all services though my Macbook. It was seemless. >> >> I think that AT venders on teh Windows side are greedy for money. >> Just >> look at the antics of FS. They sell JFW for twice as much in the UK >> than in the United States. As far as my opinion is concerned, they >> have very little inovation left. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 18-Jul-09, at 4:13 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> I too would like to read this article. However, competition is a >>> good >>> thing. We should rmember that Apple is first and foremost a >>> commercial >>> vender and accessibility is not necessarily at the top of their list >>> although they have done, and I am sure will continue to do a >>> fantastic job. >>> Besides everyone is entitled to their views and the Windows >>> Assistive >>> Technology developers do in fact have much left to offer the great >>> majority >>> of those of us who use Windows. Not least because the vast majority >>> of the >>> working world uses Windows . But yes, their products are overly >>> priced. Very >>> much so. >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> James >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "william lomas" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:37 AM >>> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone >>> >>> >>>> >>>> you know why? >>>> because the i phone is way more superior than the pac mate >>>> let him pay 3000 US dollars or more for it, an i phone is loads >>>> cheaper and does everything that does? >>>> can someone send me off list please, the original article he >>>> posted? >>>> >>>> On 18 Jul 2009, at 11:34, Jude DaShiell wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Any access technology developer who thinks that way so far as I'm >>>>> concerned has nothing of any worth left to offer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Larry Wanger wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Who cares if we win them over. We talk with our pocket books and, >>>>>> if enough >>>>>> of us stop paying thousands for their products and hundreds more >>>>>> each year >>>>>> in SMA agreements it will get their attention. It's like any >>>>>> other >>>>>> product >>>>>> and the markets they compete in. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _____ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott >>>>>> Howell >>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's >>>>>> case, I >>>>>> have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on >>>>>> observations >>>>>> from >>>>>> that and things he has said/written, I seriously doubt he would >>>>>> sit >>>>>> down >>>>>> with you or an iPhone and certainly not to be objective about his >>>>>> findings. >>>>>> I think he would be quite argumentative and take a hardline on >>>>>> his >>>>>> position >>>>>> regardless of whether he is proven right or wrong. In other >>>>>> words, >>>>>> you'd >>>>>> accomplish nothing more than wasting your time and giving >>>>>> yourself a >>>>>> headache. I'll not name names or so forth, but a conversation I >>>>>> had >>>>>> with a >>>>>> particular adaptive technology developer ran along the lines of >>>>>> me >>>>>> expressing my enthusiasm about the Mac and VO and how it was nice >>>>>> to see >>>>>> their product could be used under a VM. Of course that met with a >>>>>> very much >>>>>> "I don't care" attitude. I think I was looked upon as being at >>>>>> the >>>>>> very >>>>>> least miledly daft and why in hell would you want to use a stupid >>>>>> Mac when >>>>>> you have a great solution and a good os at your disposal. :) So, >>>>>> the market >>>>>> being what it is, I don't think you'll ever win him or most of >>>>>> these folks >>>>>> over. I guess I sort of understand considering that Apple is >>>>>> truly a >>>>>> competitor now and any competition is a threat. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is >>>>>> great. >>>>>> I am more >>>>>> productive with this phone and able to do so much more than I >>>>>> could >>>>>> with my >>>>>> Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. And, I had >>>>>> terrible >>>>>> luck finding applications for that phone that were accessible. I >>>>>> have pages >>>>>> of apps on my iPhone that I use all the time. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What frustrates me about Jonathan's article/email is that he >>>>>> wrote >>>>>> this >>>>>> before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear >>>>>> about how he >>>>>> feels. And, like it or not, he's a "leader" if you want to call >>>>>> him >>>>>> that, in >>>>>> the access technology world. I don't mean leader in the >>>>>> traditional >>>>>> sense; I >>>>>> mean it in that he's a vice president at one of the largest >>>>>> blindness >>>>>> technology providers in the world and with that role comes some >>>>>> responsibility. Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to >>>>>> speak >>>>>> rashly about products from competitors lest you take the >>>>>> appearance >>>>>> of being >>>>>> self promoting and carrying the company line. I'd love the >>>>>> opportunity to >>>>>> set down with Mr. Mosen and to show him just how productive I >>>>>> am on >>>>>> my >>>>>> iPhone. No, it doesn't run the KNFB reader and it doesn't have an >>>>>> advanced >>>>>> camera like some other phones in the world but it works a hell >>>>>> of a >>>>>> lot >>>>>> better than Mosen makes it sound in this article. I wonder if he >>>>>> would be >>>>>> willing to sit down and write out his observations after the >>>>>> iPhone >>>>>> has been >>>>>> in the marketplace for almost a month now. But, I bet he's never >>>>>> even held >>>>>> one in his hand so, as with his initial observations, any >>>>>> response >>>>>> he might >>>>>> give now would be baseless. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _____ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh de >>>>>> Lioncourt >>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so >>>>>> inefficient is: >>>>>> How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever >>>>>> touched a >>>>>> QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface >>>>>> interaction. >>>>>> After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery >>>>>> status, or >>>>>> really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They >>>>>> do >>>>>> not move >>>>>> around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are >>>>>> having >>>>>> trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, >>>>>> inefficient, >>>>>> and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing >>>>>> number >>>>>> of VI >>>>>> iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be >>>>>> comfortable. >>>>>> Once you are, it's fantastic. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh de Lioncourt >>>>>> >>>>>> .my other mail provider is an owl. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>>>>> >>>>>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>>>>> >>>>>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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