Well, you're doing the best thing you can to learn it, and that is to use it. If you're used to windows, it can be a bit different, but as you use it more, it will become second nature. Voice over is a great screen reader, and again, apple went the extra mile. They could have just done something quick and dirty like narrator, but instead they added all of the major screen reader features. In many ways, voice over works just as well, and many times it works better than windows screen readers I think. On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Rich Ring wrote:
> > They don't have an excuse, but I would be very surprised if they do > it. It was in Apple's best interest to create a screen reader for the > Mac, but no one would have cared a lot if the iPhone wasn't > accessible. But Apple went the extra mile here. Now, if I could only > figure this Mac which I am currently using to send this message. > On Aug 23, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> >> Yes, what apple has done is definitely a first. And, this leaves the >> other phone manufacturers without excuse that making a touch screen >> accessible is not possible. Hopefully other companies will build >> accessibility in to their phones, the way it should be. >> On Aug 23, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Rich Ring wrote: >> >>> I didn't want an iPhone when I first saw it. I didn't believe I >>> would master it. However, with a lot of practice and a lot of >>> yelling at myself and the phone, I feel pretty comfortable with it >>> now. It is amazing that Apple engineers could come up with a way to >>> make the most visual interface one could imagine workable for people >>> who can't see the screen. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Scott Howell >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 4:37 AM >>> Subject: Re: iphone vs pac mate >>> >>> Yeah, I understand that and the typing wasn't so much the issue, >>> just couldn't quite figure out when I was swiping left/right while >>> in a menu; I was hearing characters and when swiping up/down I was >>> hearing menu items. Like I said, I've heard all the podcasts and >>> the like, but really had no idea what I was doing really only having >>> it in my hands for just a little while. However, I have a much >>> better feel for it and of course without the security cable >>> attached, it will be much easier to hold and such. I'm very much >>> impressed with the phone and want one. THink I'll be a little more >>> patient and see what happens by the end of the year and if a new >>> model will be out with maybe a little better battery life. :) >>> Actually, I'm wondering what folks are finding for battery life. >>> I'm sure mine would be a little shorter then if just using the phone >>> since I'd want to replace my iPod basically. :) >>> >>> On Aug 22, 2009, at 8:57 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> You get used to the typing. It can take a while, but you do. >>>> Best, >>>> Donna >>>> On Aug 22, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>>> Funny, I had the opportunity to play with the iPhone at the AT&T >>>>> store today and I so wanted one. The big thing holding me up is >>>>> that AT&T doesn't have enough coverage quite yet in our subway >>>>> system and VZW does have better coverage in general, but that >>>>> didn't stop me from reaching toward my wallet at least once. The >>>>> only tricky part I couldn't really figure out initially is I had >>>>> open a note and tried typing, but that wasn't quite as successful, >>>>> but then I also had the phone tied to the alarm cable, which >>>>> didn't let me get to far. :) Then I hit home and tried to navigate >>>>> to another app while the notes was open and I heard letters and >>>>> application names. Well, for not having used the phone ever, it >>>>> wasn't bad and I really didn't have a good environment to play in, >>>>> but the volume was just loud enough for me to do a bit of playing. >>>>> I think it would have been easier if I had been able to just hold >>>>> the phone without any wires and walk around/out the door, I mean >>>>> really get into playing with it. Now here is the best part. I >>>>> asked the gent at the store about accessing the menu to turn >>>>> VoiceOver on and damn if he didn't know exactly where it was and >>>>> even knew what VoiceOver was. I was quite impressed. >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 22, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Rich Ring wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The iPhone is wonderful in many ways. I wish I could send >>>>>> contacts via bluetooth as I could with a Nokia phone, and I wish >>>>>> it was a bit easier to delete text messages, and I truly wish the >>>>>> battery life was better, but I do love the little critter. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: John Sanfilippo >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:40 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: iphone vs pac mate >>>>>> >>>>>> personal opinion, >>>>>> >>>>>> The pac mate and street talk are both dead animals. The only >>>>>> thing I like about the pac mate now is the braille display and >>>>>> the ability to use it or the pac mate itself if either is not >>>>>> working. The braille display is the better part of the hardware, >>>>>> in my opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> My experience with the pac mate and street talk, is that: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1, the gps receiver provided with the package can be far too >>>>>> tardy in tracking satelites, or being tracked by them, take your >>>>>> pick. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2, you need a blue tooth card installed in one of the cf slots, >>>>>> and your maps installed in the other, which means you need to do >>>>>> some jiggling around and setting up before you can get going. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3, I found that the entire setup was a hoffible drain on the pm >>>>>> battery. This is true on the cel phone as well, but at least >>>>>> there, I can bring along a spare battery and there is no setup. >>>>>> >>>>>> My two cents. >>>>>> >>>>>> js >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: John G. Heim >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:11 PM >>>>>> Subject: iphone vs pac mate >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am thinking of selling my Pac Mate in favor of an iphone. My >>>>>> main question >>>>>> is whether I can get a comperable GPS system to a Pac Mate with >>>>>> StreetTalk. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
