Two thunbs up!!! On Sep 7, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: > > > I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, then > don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of > VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular, > some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If that > application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be an > option. > n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: > >> >> That sounds like a good idea. >> >> >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: >> >>> >>> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of >>> scripts >>> to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to [email protected] >>> and share our thoughts on this. >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for >>>> scripting. >>>> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >>>> with >>>> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or >>>> seeing >>>> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about >>>> opening >>>> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >>>> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if >>>> we >>>> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >>>> Macintosh. >>>> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something >>>> that >>>> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use >>>> of >>>> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >>>> developer to make their application accessible right out of the >>>> box. >>>> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >>>> just >>>> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's >>>> computer >>>> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >>>> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >>>> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that >>>> it >>>> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as >>>> it >>>> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader >>>> does >>>> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >>>> be. >>>> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple >>>> developer, >>>> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >>>> scripts for my application and you will have access." >>>> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >>>> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >>>> that I can have a new perspective. >>>> >>>> Jes >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > >
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