I did not think of the scripting in Orca. On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, James & Nash wrote:
> > Absolutely, I think the thing to remember, is that the scripts are > an option > and only an option. Developers are still going to have to make their > apps > accessible, especially now that most if not all of the operating > system is > now Coaco. I quite like the idea of these scripts. Perhaps we can > add our > own features to VO just a they do for Orca which is also an extensible > scriptable Screen Reader. > > Perhaps others who are more informed on these subjects could add to or > corect me if I'm wrong. > > Take care > > James > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ryan Mann" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest > > >> >> >> I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, >> then >> don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of >> VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular, >> some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If >> that >> application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be an >> option. >> n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> That sounds like a good idea. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of >>>> scripts >>>> to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to >>>> [email protected] >>>> and share our thoughts on this. >>>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> >>>>> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for >>>>> scripting. >>>>> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >>>>> with >>>>> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or >>>>> seeing >>>>> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about >>>>> opening >>>>> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >>>>> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if >>>>> we >>>>> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >>>>> Macintosh. >>>>> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something >>>>> that >>>>> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the >>>>> use >>>>> of >>>>> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >>>>> developer to make their application accessible right out of the >>>>> box. >>>>> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >>>>> just >>>>> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's >>>>> computer >>>>> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >>>>> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >>>>> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is >>>>> that >>>>> it >>>>> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as >>>>> it >>>>> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader >>>>> does >>>>> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >>>>> be. >>>>> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple >>>>> developer, >>>>> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >>>>> scripts for my application and you will have access." >>>>> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >>>>> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >>>>> that I can have a new perspective. >>>>> >>>>> Jes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
