Here's my take on the whole script thing, while it does cause a bit of concern, I certainly have no plans to ask apple to remove this or any other voice over feature, that would be silly. Admitedly, I have no interest in using scripting at this point, but for those who want to try it, go for it. On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:20 AM, Jes Smith wrote:
> > Thank you, all for your comments. That really puts my mind at ease. I > was not trying to complain, I was just trying to get some concerns out > there. IF people felt like I was complaining, that was not my > intention. So sorry if it came out like that. > Jes > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > >> >> I'd need to agree with this. >> >> It's ridiculous to encourage the abandonment of a feature simply >> because you yourself might not like it or want to use it. >> >> As long as it's not interfering with your use of the product, >> complaining about it is really moot at best, and detrimental at >> worst. >> >> Just because scripting is present, doesn't mean the entire VO >> paradigm is coming crashing down. :) >> >> If you'd like developers to pay attention to the quality of their >> products, then simply do as we've always done and offer them >> detailed, >> positive feedback and suggestions and there's no reason to expect >> they'd not work with us as they have in the past. >> >> I for one, really am glad that Snowie has all of the new features >> it does though. Personally I really, thankfully have no need to >> initiate apps from within keyboard commander, but having that ability >> may sure come in handy in ways I, at present, am not thinking of, so >> if that day comes, then terrific that I have access to this, and for >> now, I'll simply enjoy all of the other keyboard commander features >> as >> I do. >> >> I'm also personally really looking forward to scripting VO. The >> possibilities here are endless!… >> >> to get back to keyboard commander here for just one second, I >> personally am using it now for a couple of really cool things. >> >> • I have my right option key enabled and can press option / to >> route my mouse pointer really quickly. >> >> • I'm also using a key combo to switch quickly, on the fly, between >> groups and DOM modes. >> >> So this is really an important feature addition in my book. woohoo!… >> >> anyway, this is of course, just my two cents. So take it or leave >> it. :) >> >> Thanks very much for this discussion! You all super rock! >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara :) >> --- >> View my Online Portfolio at: >> >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >> >> Follow me on Twitter! >> >> https://twitter.com/ModelCara >> >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: >> >> >> >> I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, >> then >> don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of >> VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular, >> some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If >> that >> application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be an >> option. >> n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> That sounds like a good idea. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of >>>> scripts >>>> to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to [email protected] >>>> and share our thoughts on this. >>>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> >>>>> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for >>>>> scripting. >>>>> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >>>>> with >>>>> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or >>>>> seeing >>>>> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about >>>>> opening >>>>> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >>>>> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if >>>>> we >>>>> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >>>>> Macintosh. >>>>> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something >>>>> that >>>>> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the >>>>> use >>>>> of >>>>> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >>>>> developer to make their application accessible right out of the >>>>> box. >>>>> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >>>>> just >>>>> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's >>>>> computer >>>>> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >>>>> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >>>>> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is >>>>> that >>>>> it >>>>> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as >>>>> it >>>>> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader >>>>> does >>>>> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >>>>> be. >>>>> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple >>>>> developer, >>>>> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >>>>> scripts for my application and you will have access." >>>>> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >>>>> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >>>>> that I can have a new perspective. >>>>> >>>>> Jes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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