Losing data is only a real concern if you lose access to your account; big 
companies like Google, Dropbox, Apple, and so on have so many redundancies in 
place that data loss on their end is really not a concern over which I lose 
sleep. Again, though, losing access to your account is a different matter, and 
it is why I enable two-factor authentication on everything I can, especially my 
Apple ID.

iCloud Drive is a feature that Apple announced at WWDC this year, and it will 
debut with the release of OS X Yosemite and iOS8 in the fall. It is basically a 
place where you can store files and folders, and those items become visible 
across all iCloud-enabled devices. So, you can save a text file in your iCloud 
drive and work on it with Text Edit on the Mac, then open up that same file 
with Pages or Nebulous on iOS, and you're still working with the same file. 
Given that this feature will coincide with a drop in iCloud storage prices, it 
becomes a great way to back up your data while making it accessible across all 
your devices.
On Jul 5, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Robert C <[email protected]> wrote:

> Alex and Tim,
>   I am not too concerned about actual security but more about losing data. 
> But if one also backs up locally, no worries. But another concern might be 
> inability to retrieve or sync data should one lose Internet access. But 
> thinking back to a recent loss of my cable connection, I found out if I 
> disabled wifi on the iPhone, I was able to access the Internet. I mention 
> this because I could not run certain apps until I disabled wifi, then was 
> able to use cellular data. I was surprised because I did not know I had to do 
> this.
> 
>   Anyway, maybe my thinking is that we may be becoming too dependent on 
> outside resources. But at the same time, I am starting to see some nice 
> benefits of using iCloud.
> 
>   About Cloud Drive, can you explain briefly what it is? Thanks again you 
> guys.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> "The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other 
> bastard die for his."
> --General George Patton (1885-1945)
> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
> E-mail-
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> 
> On 7/2/2014 10:37 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Personally, I haven't seen much downside to cloud storage services.  As Alex 
>> mentioned, some folks worry about snooping by governments and such when you 
>> store things in the cloud, but, all the power to them if they want to read 
>> my documents, learn about VoiceOver and other accessibility features along 
>> with any other mundane stuff I store out there.  Computers get stolen, 
>> memory sticks get lost, all sorts of things that we think are more secure 
>> than the cloud aren't necessarily so.  I love my Google Drive.  Like 
>> DropBox, I can be off-line, then as soon as I'm back on-line, everything 
>> added to or modified on my Google Drive is automatically synced up to the 
>> Cloud and I feel confident that I can access it wherever and whenever I need 
>> to.  Looking forward to when iCloud Drive comes into the picture.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2014, at 9:54 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I can't speak for iCloud Drive, as that feature is not out yet. Using 
>>> Dropbox as an example, though, I think most people see it as a positive. 
>>> Yes, it stores your data in the cloud. That is not to say that it is only 
>>> accessible when you are online, though; Dropbox copies everything to your 
>>> local hard drive (or gives you the option to do so on iOS) so even if you 
>>> have no internet access you can still get to your files and folders. The 
>>> down side is definitely security; the government can see your files, 
>>> depending on the service you use, or someone who manages to hack into your 
>>> account can do serious damage. That is why I'm excited for iCloud Drive; 
>>> enable two-factor authentication, and it is suddenly almost impossible for 
>>> anyone to access your files. These are just my thoughts, and I'm not a 
>>> security expert or anything. Personally, though, I'm fine with putting my 
>>> essential files (writing projects, programming projects, resumes, and other 
>>> essentials) in Dropbox, thus ensuring they 
> are always backed up no matter what happens to my local machines. Of course, 
> services like Crashplan or Carbonite can do similar things, but I prefer to 
> just store the essentials in the cloud; it costs less and it easier to manage 
> when a restore is necessary.
>>> On Jul 2, 2014, at 11:14 PM, Robert C <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>   A message that was just posted prompts this question. It was not quite 
>>>> in line with that post so started a new one.
>>>> 
>>>>   With so much attention to using online storage, such as Dropbox, iCloud 
>>>> and so on, there is no doubt there are advantages to doing this especially 
>>>> if one's offline storage is limited. But the downside?
>>>> 
>>>>   What are the inherent risks in particular if one is not using offline 
>>>> storage, say for backups? Seems risky to rely on outside resources.
>>>> 
>>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>>>> Most of us go to our grave with our music still inside of us.
>>>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
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