well... sort of mom! Since I was straying, I stopped feeding the
shifting sand with my thoughts.
Which is why I am not going to touch the shopping comment smiles.
back to her place in the corner,
Kare
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014, Kristeen Hughes wrote:
Karen,
You said this very well. I agree, but still I must wonder if this is quite on
topic.
Kristeen
On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Littlefield, Tyler <[email protected]> wrote:
Karen:
I fully agree. It really does feel like we're slapping Apple in the face,
forcing them to conform. I really really hope this doesn't work, because it's
going to create a huge mess and totally redefine apps. Not everything is
accessible but that really is fine with me; usually I can find an app that is.
It's what happens when you use anything, really. My thoughts are mainly money
based: how much money will NFB get for consulting for something like this, and
secondly how is this trash going to redefine apps on the iPhone? It's not going
to be all that hard for NFB to use their power to force things into IOS/apps
that don't need to be there, force things out, etc.
On 7/12/2014 9:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Let me see if I understand this.
Apple who has built in innovation on its own must discuss with the nfb how to
now limit that innovation to fit the nfb's one size fits all definition of
blindness? as in all blind people are interchangeable, and the nfb is the only
source to tell you how to find a plug and play blind person by which you
measure what works for them...all 400 plus million of them?
I wonder how much money they plan on extorting for this dialog?
Not only should it be a blanket resolution, BTW android phones are the most
popular in use now according to annual surveys, but this dialog should
involve many organizations, and a group of apple customers who are not members
of a consumer organization whatsoever.
The very suggestion that a single body is in a position to speak for every
child born of women who happens to have the label blind attached to them is a
stereotypes that really needs to end. otherwise the individuality that is the
rich experience of redefining blindness is not going to exist for the millions
who need not buy the nfb line to live freely and inclusively.
Why does the nfb not spend its energy training software developers who fit
their one size fits all blindness box?
Many companies besides Apple would get the benefits that way.
just my take,
Karen
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Pamela Francis wrote:
Hello,
I personally am not in favor of this resolution; not because I don't want
accessibility. Apple took the lead in making its products accessible without
government or organizational intervention. Microsoft, on the other hand,
allowed third-party vendors to do its work within accessibility. Google, though
it has come along way, still does not want to adhere to its own standards
unless it is pressed.
If there was a resolution to be had, it should've been a blanket resolution for
all companies dealing with accessibility. Picking on Apple, is as if we as a
blind community are slapping it in the face given that it has continued its
efforts to remain accessible. I understand the need for utilitarian apps such
as maps, transit maps, notes, lists, etc. to remain accessible as they are a
necessary function in normal life. However, just to use as an example I don't
necessarily need Angry Birds to be accessible for my benefit nor do I need it
to be threatened to be kicked from the app store due to inaccessibility for the
sake of millions of people who enjoy it.
As we continue to strive for accessibility in all areas, we need not be a bully
to the company that went out of its way to make its products accessible from
the beginning.
We also do not need to be put into a societal box allowing electronics
manufacturers, appliance manufacturers, and the general public to believe that
all we are capable of is operating an iPhone. We are on the cusp of choice. We
have fought for choice for a long time. This type of a resolution makes us
look militant and ungrateful. What is fair for one company is fair for all.
Pam Francis
On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Terje Strømberg <[email protected]> wrote:
The NFB Resolution is very important for all blind and low vision all over the
world. We all want accessible digital future.
A link to a comment from the president in NFB:
https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/comments-apple-and-nfb-resolution-2014-12
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