Some tabs are the letter indexes and some are the headings. I don't think that matters though. It's just a miner bug that doesn't seem to affect anything. The mouse should read what the voiceover cursor reads in the reference tabs. I don't think that the mouse is moving to the tabs for whatever reason. That is the problem. Something about the way the window is positioned or the way things are laid out in the layout area is causing the mouse to get stuck. You can turn on speak text under the mouse in vo utility and move the mouse around. That might give you an idea of where it is. Try using one of the templates to see if you still have this problem. I'm using the grade book for this. Also, try moving the window over to the right just to see if anything changes. You can do this by pressing vo-` and right arrow. Press escape when your finished. Note that this is a long shot, but it's this or one of the things I've mentioned that is causing this. Good luck.
On Aug 8, 2014, at 1:40 AM, Nicholas Parsons <[email protected]> wrote: After checking VO Utility turns out I didn't have the mouse pointer following the VO cursor. I changed this so now it is. I checked and the magnification was set to 1. I tried again but still got the same result with the mouse down opening the menu. When you bring the mouse pointer to the column reference tab, what does VoiceOver tell you is under the mouse pointer? For me it gives the text in cell 1 of the relevant column. Perhaps I just have a dud version. :) Might have to get a sighted person to take a look at what the mouse is doing. For reference, I'm running Numbers version 3.2 (1861). On 8 Aug 2014, at 3:33 pm, Barry Hadder <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, unfortunately it sounds to me like you are doing everything right. > I've noticed the funk sound myself and it doesn't seem to matter. I've tried > it myself in full screen and regular and both with mouse following vo and not > but all with the same results. I just can't make it fail. > > If you git a menu when you lock the mouse, it means that it isn't in the > right place. So it sounds to me as it the mouse isn't moving to vo as it > should. I recommend going in to voiceover utility/visuals and make sure that > if show voiceover cursor is checked that the magnification is set to 1. I've > noticed that if it is set higher, then many times the mouse wont route to vo > correctly. If that doesn't help than you might need to move the window > around. > The only time I get the menu that you mentioned is when I control click in a > table cell. But it sounds to me like you are in the reference tabs as you > should be. > > > On Aug 7, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Nicholas Parsons <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Barry, > > In that case I did understand you correctly. Yes, I routed the mouse to the > VO cursor with VO-command-F5 before pressing mouse down (even though this is > often not necessary when I have the mouse pointer to always follow the VO > cursor). I also tried bringing the active window to front with VO-shift-F2, > hiding other applications with command-option-h, and making Numbers full > screen. Some of the times when I would try and see what was under the mouse > pointer with VO-F5, I would just get a funk sound telling me there was some > problem. However, other times it would announce the header of the column but > the moving process still didn't work. I did notice, however, that when I > would check what was under the mouse pointer it would tell me the header > name, not the letter of the column. Not sure if this has something to do with > the problem. > > > On 8 Aug 2014, at 2:04 pm, Barry Hadder <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello Nicholas. >> >> After you selected the tab with vo-space, did you route the mouse to vo with >> vo-command-f5? You want to do that before you lock the mouse. That is the >> only reason I can come up with as to why the menu was activated. >> You might try hiding any other open windows with command-option-h before >> routing the mouse in case something is interfering with it. >> After you lock the mouse, you move vo to the tab that you want to move the >> column to and release it. Let me know if I need to explain something >> further. I've tried this many times and never had it fail. It only takes >> seconds. >> Hope this helps. >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Nicholas Parsons >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Barry and Phil, >> >> Thanks both for your help. >> >> Barry, your tip of first VO-spacing on the column reference tab took me >> further than I had gotten before, but still no success. The results were a >> bit flaky. I'm not sure I exactly understood your instructions. After >> VO-spacing on the column reference tab for the column I wanted to move, I >> pressed mouse down with VO-command-shift-space. Sometimes doing this caused >> the menu to pop up with the sort and filter options etcetera. Other times it >> didn't. But it never said anything about moving, and moving to another >> column and pressing mouse up didn't have any effect. Pressing VO-comma would >> still announce, 'Marked column X for drag', or whatever, but when I'd try >> and drop it would often say the marked item is no longer in view, even >> though I had only tried to move it one column over, and other times it would >> say 'column X inserted', but would actually not have moved the column at all. >> >> Phil, the formulas are my own but the column I want to move is in a data >> table and the formulas and functions I have in the summary tables are quite >> complicated, and I don't really want to look through every one to find if >> any use relative references and would break. In any event, I'd like to learn >> how to move columns (as opposed to copying and pasting) to enhance my >> Numbers toolbox and ensure that for this time and for the future I am able >> to move columns without upsetting formulas. Having said that, I appreciate >> your pragmatic suggestions and might ultimately have to resort to that or to >> asking for sighted assistance. >> >> many thanks again and if you have any other help, thoughts or suggestions >> I'd love to hear them. >> >> >> On 7 Aug 2014, at 11:15 pm, Phil Halton <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> A simpler method would be to simply copy the column, then insert a new >>> column where you want the data, and then do a paste. Move to the top of the >>> column, then do a shift command down arrow to select the entire column. >>> Then do an option right arrow at the column after which you want the data >>> to appear. Of course, don't forget to copy the selected fcolumns first, >>> then paste into the newly created column. This may still mess up your >>> formulas depending on whether you used relative or absolute addressing. >>> >>> That gets fairly tricky. I don't know if you're writing your own formulas, >>> or if these are someone else's. But, the addressing system they use will >>> determine if the formulas can be moved from one position to another without >>> screwing them up. >>> Sent from my IPhone >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:10 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I'm trying to work out how to move columns in Numbers without upsetting >>>> formulas etc. Sighted people can just click on the column reference tab >>>> and drag the column left or right to the new location. >>>> >>>> I've tried getting into the column reference tab with VO-shift-backslash >>>> and then selecting column reference tab, and then using the VO commands to >>>> drag and drop. However, this never works. It seems more than just the >>>> usual flakiness, it just never seems to have any effect, even though >>>> VoiceOver announces that the column has been inserted. >>>> >>>> Any ideas? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> Barry Hadder >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > Barry Hadder > [email protected] > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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