Hi! Just a question which might be stupid but can you use a magic mouse or other with voiceover? Or how do you move the mouse? /A 8 aug 2014 kl. 09:55 skrev Barry Hadder <[email protected]>:
> Some tabs are the letter indexes and some are the headings. I don't think > that matters though. It's just a miner bug that doesn't seem to affect > anything. The mouse should read what the voiceover cursor reads in the > reference tabs. > I don't think that the mouse is moving to the tabs for whatever reason. That > is the problem. Something about the way the window is positioned or the way > things are laid out in the layout area is causing the mouse to get stuck. You > can turn on speak text under the mouse in vo utility and move the mouse > around. That might give you an idea of where it is. > Try using one of the templates to see if you still have this problem. I'm > using the grade book for this. Also, try moving the window over to the right > just to see if anything changes. You can do this by pressing vo-` and right > arrow. Press escape when your finished. Note that this is a long shot, but > it's this or one of the things I've mentioned that is causing this. > Good luck. > > > On Aug 8, 2014, at 1:40 AM, Nicholas Parsons <[email protected]> > wrote: > > After checking VO Utility turns out I didn't have the mouse pointer following > the VO cursor. I changed this so now it is. I checked and the magnification > was set to 1. > > I tried again but still got the same result with the mouse down opening the > menu. > > When you bring the mouse pointer to the column reference tab, what does > VoiceOver tell you is under the mouse pointer? For me it gives the text in > cell 1 of the relevant column. > > Perhaps I just have a dud version. :) Might have to get a sighted person to > take a look at what the mouse is doing. > > For reference, I'm running Numbers version 3.2 (1861). > > > On 8 Aug 2014, at 3:33 pm, Barry Hadder <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well, unfortunately it sounds to me like you are doing everything right. >> I've noticed the funk sound myself and it doesn't seem to matter. I've >> tried it myself in full screen and regular and both with mouse following vo >> and not but all with the same results. I just can't make it fail. >> >> If you git a menu when you lock the mouse, it means that it isn't in the >> right place. So it sounds to me as it the mouse isn't moving to vo as it >> should. I recommend going in to voiceover utility/visuals and make sure >> that if show voiceover cursor is checked that the magnification is set to 1. >> I've noticed that if it is set higher, then many times the mouse wont route >> to vo correctly. If that doesn't help than you might need to move the >> window around. >> The only time I get the menu that you mentioned is when I control click in a >> table cell. But it sounds to me like you are in the reference tabs as you >> should be. >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Nicholas Parsons >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Barry, >> >> In that case I did understand you correctly. Yes, I routed the mouse to the >> VO cursor with VO-command-F5 before pressing mouse down (even though this is >> often not necessary when I have the mouse pointer to always follow the VO >> cursor). I also tried bringing the active window to front with VO-shift-F2, >> hiding other applications with command-option-h, and making Numbers full >> screen. Some of the times when I would try and see what was under the mouse >> pointer with VO-F5, I would just get a funk sound telling me there was some >> problem. However, other times it would announce the header of the column but >> the moving process still didn't work. I did notice, however, that when I >> would check what was under the mouse pointer it would tell me the header >> name, not the letter of the column. Not sure if this has something to do >> with the problem. >> >> >> On 8 Aug 2014, at 2:04 pm, Barry Hadder <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello Nicholas. >>> >>> After you selected the tab with vo-space, did you route the mouse to vo >>> with vo-command-f5? You want to do that before you lock the mouse. That >>> is the only reason I can come up with as to why the menu was activated. >>> You might try hiding any other open windows with command-option-h before >>> routing the mouse in case something is interfering with it. >>> After you lock the mouse, you move vo to the tab that you want to move the >>> column to and release it. Let me know if I need to explain something >>> further. I've tried this many times and never had it fail. It only takes >>> seconds. >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Nicholas Parsons >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Barry and Phil, >>> >>> Thanks both for your help. >>> >>> Barry, your tip of first VO-spacing on the column reference tab took me >>> further than I had gotten before, but still no success. The results were a >>> bit flaky. I'm not sure I exactly understood your instructions. After >>> VO-spacing on the column reference tab for the column I wanted to move, I >>> pressed mouse down with VO-command-shift-space. Sometimes doing this caused >>> the menu to pop up with the sort and filter options etcetera. Other times >>> it didn't. But it never said anything about moving, and moving to another >>> column and pressing mouse up didn't have any effect. Pressing VO-comma >>> would still announce, 'Marked column X for drag', or whatever, but when I'd >>> try and drop it would often say the marked item is no longer in view, even >>> though I had only tried to move it one column over, and other times it >>> would say 'column X inserted', but would actually not have moved the column >>> at all. >>> >>> Phil, the formulas are my own but the column I want to move is in a data >>> table and the formulas and functions I have in the summary tables are quite >>> complicated, and I don't really want to look through every one to find if >>> any use relative references and would break. In any event, I'd like to >>> learn how to move columns (as opposed to copying and pasting) to enhance my >>> Numbers toolbox and ensure that for this time and for the future I am able >>> to move columns without upsetting formulas. Having said that, I appreciate >>> your pragmatic suggestions and might ultimately have to resort to that or >>> to asking for sighted assistance. >>> >>> many thanks again and if you have any other help, thoughts or suggestions >>> I'd love to hear them. >>> >>> >>> On 7 Aug 2014, at 11:15 pm, Phil Halton <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> A simpler method would be to simply copy the column, then insert a new >>>> column where you want the data, and then do a paste. Move to the top of >>>> the column, then do a shift command down arrow to select the entire >>>> column. Then do an option right arrow at the column after which you want >>>> the data to appear. Of course, don't forget to copy the selected fcolumns >>>> first, then paste into the newly created column. This may still mess up >>>> your formulas depending on whether you used relative or absolute >>>> addressing. >>>> >>>> That gets fairly tricky. I don't know if you're writing your own formulas, >>>> or if these are someone else's. But, the addressing system they use will >>>> determine if the formulas can be moved from one position to another >>>> without screwing them up. >>>> Sent from my IPhone >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:10 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I'm trying to work out how to move columns in Numbers without upsetting >>>>> formulas etc. Sighted people can just click on the column reference tab >>>>> and drag the column left or right to the new location. >>>>> >>>>> I've tried getting into the column reference tab with VO-shift-backslash >>>>> and then selecting column reference tab, and then using the VO commands >>>>> to drag and drop. However, this never works. It seems more than just the >>>>> usual flakiness, it just never seems to have any effect, even though >>>>> VoiceOver announces that the column has been inserted. >>>>> >>>>> Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> Barry Hadder >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> Barry Hadder >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > Barry Hadder > [email protected] > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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