Which I should have done. Ok, I asked this because after installing Mavericks and doing some tweaks to get it to boot up smoothly, I still find it problematic for about 30 to 60 seconds. I still have the welcome message option enabled so its quite evident at that point when Samantha can barely speak. But after this 30 to 60 seconds, Mavericks seems to be ok as I have been moving data, changing settings and so on, no issues. I just let it boot and wait and then start using the Mac.

I toyed with the idea of using different voices in different applications but may just stick with one voice.

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On 10/16/2014 11:37 AM, David Griffith wrote:
I have changed the subject line as we were drifting into OS.
The scansoft voices are the modern voices introduced in Lion as I recall it. 
That is voices like Daniel, tom, Samantha etc.

My experience is that my 2011 iMac    is snappier with Alex.

I used to have different voices for Mail and Safari etc under activities and my 
Mac started to crawl. after I went to Mavericks So I got rid of all activities 
and just use Alex and I have a fast  Mac again.

David griffith
On 16 Oct 2014, at 18:02, The Believer <[email protected]> wrote:

David,
   Which ones are the Scansoft voices in Mavericks??

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On 10/15/2014 5:10 PM, David Griffith wrote:
I wonder what made you go back to Mountain Lion? I too found the upgrade
to Mavericks initially disturbing and originally considering trying to
revert but  find most things work fine nowadays, even iBooks is more
usable now.

In my case the key on my 2011 iMac was to
1. Do a clean install.
2. Go back to Alex as my default voice.
3. Stop using Scansoft voices, particularly in conjunction with activities.

After that the lagging and busy issue pretty much disappeared and all
seemed to work fine with only minor annoyances which so far have work
around. The file attachment      feature of Mail is now more time
consuming because you have to go to save as in the file menu. On my
machine you cannot escape out of the menu bar but have to go to menu
extras and then you can use escape.  None of this is show stopping for
me. The major annoyance for me is that the tab feature appears to have
messed up the ability to open multiple windows so if I want to have
multiple windows in Finder open I have to use the open in new window
command from the context menu  rather than just use command down arrow.

David Griffith
On 16/10/2014 00:00, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
Superlative little rant, that. :)

For myself, I'm back on Mountain Lion for my primary machine, a mid-11
iMac, to get an email client that displays plain text messages, a
working C compiler compatible with much Open Source software, and no
bloody iBooks.  It's still iOSified, but at least it functions.  I am
thinking about Windows--have been for a while now, actually--as going
neither further back nor further forward with OS X would appear to be
options.  I would stay with Snow Leopard, but it's not an option, and
Mavericks+ are where the dumbed-down interfaces get a bit too much for
anything that isn't basic mucking about.  Linux: nope, not on the
desktop.  Windows 7, then?

You can hide U2 easily enough, in iTunes, on your purchases tab.  And
you can hide them from your cloud view by just deleting them and
taking the option to hide.

As for iOS, I'd suggest you sign up for an Apple Developer account or
team up with someone who has so you can run the 8.1 beta.  You'd be in
a better position to judge the performance of the bug fixes, and
complain to Apple about the remainder.  Personally, although I think
iOS is turning into Android, in an unhealthy way, even as OS X turns
into iOS, I can't complain about my iPhone 6+.  It gives me pleasure
to use it, even if I get annoyed by some of the bugs or can't tell
which app requires which permissions.  I still have an iOS 7-equipped
iPad and iPod, when I need smooth sailing above all things.  The
initial iOS 8 release and the subsequent minor releases did not enjoy
good quality control, and not just for VoiceOver users either, but I
do think we have been punished rather badly compared to previous
releases.

And yeah, we are the customers, dammit; don't excuse or idolise
Apple.  There is a reason why the folder where my Apple list traffic
goes into is called "BlindFaith". :)

So anyway, KBO.



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