It is over reaching to suggest that Apple might regress because us
poor blind folk are not proactive. I am not privy to all the forums that
blind people hang out at, or privy to behind the scenes at Apple. So I
cannot state categorically anything across the board.
We have access to Apple's tech support, we use it or should use it.
But wait, if anyone thinks the general public never goes unheard, well,
that is a stretch. There is a right way and a wrong way to approach
problems. Going on rants? Or tendering a well written statement to
Apple? Which is more likely to produce meaningful results? Lose the
'poor ol' blind me' mentality and see what happens.
From The Believer. . .
. . . what if it were true?
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On 10/19/2014 3:53 PM, Pamela Francis wrote:
Thank God Eileen you have some sense.
There are too many people out here who are too willing to settle for whatever
Apple gives us for fear of everything being taken from us. If we don't make our
voices heard, Apple will take everything from us slowly but surely, and leaving
the same people very grateful for the little they still have. How asinine. If
we were proactive no one would have anything to be afraid of. It's not about
complaining it's about being constructive. Our cited counterparts don't have
any issues with making their voices known about a product defect of some sort.
We shouldn't either. Ultimately those who say something to make it right for
everyone gain more respect in the long run. The majority of blind people have
been conditioned to gripe within their own bunch rather then communicate with
those who could conceivably help them for fear that they won't help them. I
enjoy the interaction and the help from any list I subscribed to technically
oriented. However at the same time I'm also one who will pi
ck up the phone or write an email to someone without having to answer to a
group or organization.
If more of us did that there would be less to be afraid of.
Pam Francis
On Oct 19, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Eileen Misrahi <[email protected]> wrote:
For many years, Apple has been held to a higher standard in accessibility. I
posted about a problem that I was having and still having with updating my apps
in the app store on my iPhone 4 using iOS 7.0.6. I did white to the
accessibility team at Apple, but received an unacceptable response. They
basically stated that they couldn't communicate with my address (a joke), and
to either restore from a recent backup or to restore to the default settings. I
regarded this as a lame excuse. Because I am just waiting for the next iOS 8.1
update, I was willing to leave it alone until another friend indicated that he
was having the same trouble using iOS 7.1.2. We put our heads together and came
up with 2 work arounds, but why do we need to be the ones that have to think
out-of-the-box all of the time? I believe that we all need to become more
pro-active and make our voices heard with the Apple accessibility team. It's
not enough just for less than a handful to make Apple aware of all of the
screwups that have happened in iOS 8 and now in Yosemite. I don't want to seem
like I'm complaining, but as a blind community we need to continue to hold
Apple to a higher standard and keep plugging away to obtain the products that r
sighted counterparts just take for granted. JMO.
Eileen
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 19, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Christopher Hallsworth <[email protected]>
wrote:
Well, same was true when iOS 8 beta 1 was released to developers. It wasn't
very nice at all. Good job it only ran on my mini as didn't want to get stuck
with an unreliable, possibly unusable 4s. All is history now.
On 19/10/2014 21:18, Brandt Steenkamp wrote:
For those complaining about Yosemite, be grateful, Apple did not release
developer preview one to the public.
I will not go into detail here, but suffice it to say, it was not a very nice
experience.
Everything is working like clockwork on my end now, including all continuity
features, except SMS, which is not suppose to work yet anyway.
I am grateful we have no Windows computers in the house, for if my soon to be
wife was running anything but a Mac yesterday when her computer decided to give
us trouble, we would have been up crap creak without a paddle.
Warm regards,
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On 19 Oct 2014, at 10:08 PM, Christopher Hallsworth <[email protected]>
wrote:
Yeah, I feel some have so much time on their hands they want to do nothing but
complain and even go as far as bashing Apple. Not fair if you ask me
considering the timeless work they do for everybody, not just us.
On 19/10/2014 20:04, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
I can't agree with you more Juan. I don't know if i'm grumpy, tired or what,
but it seems to me some times we like to complain just for the sake of
complaining. I really do hope that when and if we report bugs to Apple that we
don't use the tone we use here, because if we do, they might just quit giving
us the accessibility we're so proud of and guess what, we would deserve it too.
/Krister
19 okt 2014 kl. 19:18 skrev Juan Hernandez <[email protected]>:
Yosemite works great. I love the arrow key nav in safari.
I don't see all of the lag that others see.
On Oct 19, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Pamela Francis <[email protected]> wrote:
Like an idiot, I did update. I have one word to say to you about updating.
Don't, under any condition.
Pam Francis
On Oct 18, 2014, at 6:41 PM, The Believer <[email protected]> wrote:
My philosophy is to wait. If you want to help with the bugs and all that, go
for it. If your Mavericks experience is smooth and trouble free, I would wait
until Yosemite matures a bit more. Some of the new features I am quite
interested in but they are not life changing. Same goes for iOS 8.
From The Believer. . .
. . . what if it were true?
[email protected]
On 10/18/2014 4:37 PM, jeffrey greene wrote:
Hi, Well I've been reading about every bodies problems with OSX 10.10. So,. do
you think I should upgrade from mavericks? Or do you think it would be better
to wait for 10.10.1? I have a 2012 macbook pro with a quad-core processor and
quite a bit of memory. Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Jeff
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