Christopher, what's your email address? I'll email you privately about reaching 
the mod.

> On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Oh, really?  Gotcha.  I'm going by the little I know from other listservs.
> 
> That probably explains why in the past all my owner request e-mails have 
> bounced with other google Groups.
> 
> So, then, please can you provide us with the exact procedure to contact the 
> owner of a Google Group such as this one?
> 
> Chris.
> ---
> Check out my web site at:
> http://www.clgproductions.net
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Believer" <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Inappropriate Responsses on List
> 
> 
>   By the way, there is no email address for a googlegroups owner, one
> must use a web form.
> 
> From The Believer. . .
>   By way of the Chariots of the
> Gods cameth the Aliens who
> dwelt amongst the humans,
> and bringeth much knowledge.
> 
> On 3/28/2015 4:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> whoops?  This actually went to the whole list.
>> 
>> Try the address I suggested.
>> 
>> macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> I'm still looking for chris's address.  No luck yet though.  I'm sorry.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> ---
>> Check out my web site at:
>> http://www.clgproductions.net
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith"
>> <daj.griff...@gmail.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:19 PM
>> Subject: Inappropriate Responsses on List
>> 
>> 
>> Hello  thought I should bring your attention to the inappropriate
>> 
>> behaviour of an a list member today. Many of us feel he needs to be
>> removed from the list.
>> Some examples are below.
>> On 28/03/2015 18:21, mário navarro wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes, i know.
>>> put a microphone in the ass, and connect to your   mouth, and call the
>>> moderators.
>>> fuck you, piece of shit ...
>>> 
>>> Em 28/03/2015 17:53, David Griffith escreveu:
>>>> Does anybody know how to contact moderators  on this list?
>>>> 
>>>> David Griffith
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 28/03/2015 18:34, mário navarro wrote:
>>> 
>>>        fuck you bitch.
>>> your pussy stinks.
>>> 
>>> Em 28/03/2015 18:16, Donna Goodin escreveu:
>>>> I'm not easily offended, and have a fairly high tolerance for
>>>> four-letter words, but this is over the top. In addition to being
>>>> completely inappropriate, it's also very disrespectful.
>>>> thank you,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>> 
>>>>> *Date: *March 28, 2015 at 8:53:14 AM CDT
>>>>> *From: *mário navarro <mario....@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mario....@gmail.com>>
>>>>> *To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> *Subject: **Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8*
>>>>> *Reply-To: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> fuck you, piece  of shit ...
>>>>> who you think you are ...
>>>>> You must be very important sucker!
>>>>> if you want to go out go and take your ignorance with  you ...
>>>>> I do not spoke to you sucker ...
>>>>> your head is full of shit ...
>>>>> you smell bad, go wash you piece of shit ...
>>>>> Em 28/03/2015 13:32, David Griffith escreveu:
>>>>>> I have had nothing to do with this thread but really this sounds
>>>>>> like a small spoilt child ranting in a playground.
>>>>>> We normally have grown up discussions on this list without hurling
>>>>>> personal insults at each other.
>>>>>> Could the moderator please confirm this is inappropriate on this
>>>>>> list. If this is the tone of emails I will have to read then I will
>>>>>> be off.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David Griffith
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 28/03/2015 13:01, mário navarro wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> man, why  you are so stupid?
>>>>>>> you work for apple?
>>>>>>> apple pay all your debts at the end of the month?
>>>>>>> apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over?
>>>>>>> yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your
>>>>>>> iPhone ...
>>>>>>> shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu:
>>>>>>>> All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the
>>>>>>>> beginning have pretty much been fixed.
>>>>>>>> I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first
>>>>>>>> generation, and all is very very smoothe.  I really don't have
>>>>>>>> any issues any longer.  OK, in Safari, on huge web pages,
>>>>>>>> sometimes the item chooser will crap the bed, but even that is
>>>>>>>> becoming more and more rare, and the main web site where I see
>>>>>>>> this happen, is a major exception, as that page literally
>>>>>>>> speaking has over 12 thousand links on it.
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're
>>>>>>>> just gonna have to trust me with this.
>>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Check out my web site at:
>>>>>>>> http://www.clgproductions.net
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>   *From:* Jon Solitro <mailto:jon.soli...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>   *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM
>>>>>>>>   *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>   The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the
>>>>>>>> functionality as
>>>>>>>>   I haven't been able to download it yet.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>   I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is
>>>>>>>> worth
>>>>>>>>   it ot upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over
>>>>>>>> tends to
>>>>>>>>   run slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>   Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>   On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, "george b" <gbma...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>   <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am
>>>>>>>>>   interested in this please.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   thanks
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>   [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon
>>>>>>>>> Solitro
>>>>>>>>>   *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54
>>>>>>>>>   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>   *Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still
>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>   iOs 7. I found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to
>>>>>>>>>   install. Should I update, or can I expect slower operation?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux
>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8
>>>>>>>>>       and I have to say that the experience is less than stellar.
>>>>>>>>>       Bugs everywhere, slower than on my iphone 5s, siri cut off
>>>>>>>>>       midway then voice over not working, hang like slowness when
>>>>>>>>>       getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started
>>>>>>>>>       looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to
>>>>>>>>>       nudge things too much into the “let big brother figure out
>>>>>>>>>       for you what you should like and do”. Point in case, that U2
>>>>>>>>>       debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>       going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2
>>>>>>>>>       tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want
>>>>>>>>>       some band pushing their crap on my life experience when I
>>>>>>>>>       shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed to do
>>>>>>>>>       things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some
>>>>>>>>>       great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans
>>>>>>>>>       aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I
>>>>>>>>>       go into an apple store and wait for a genius to tell me my
>>>>>>>>>       future.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for
>>>>>>>>>       those of you who want to reply by being defensive for apple,
>>>>>>>>>       just remember a few basic things:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving
>>>>>>>>>       apple. Apple makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut
>>>>>>>>>       on your music production or app developement with their
>>>>>>>>>       platform. They serve you. Not the other way around.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that
>>>>>>>>>       collectively create experiences. At the helm, a few
>>>>>>>>>       individuals decide on the direction of that experience.
>>>>>>>>>       Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving us a
>>>>>>>>>       good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous
>>>>>>>>>       marketing guy with design skills I cannot trust as head of
>>>>>>>>>       human interface, a software division, coming from someone
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>       used to make toilet seats. The only one or ones I can trust
>>>>>>>>>       in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers
>>>>>>>>>       presented at the last apple showcase. but they don’t have
>>>>>>>>>       enough say yet, so we’re stuck with all that flash graphical
>>>>>>>>>       transition animation style crap instead of truly clean,
>>>>>>>>>       efficient and snappy interfaces.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea
>>>>>>>>> what.
>>>>>>>>>       Sometimes I wish I was sighted again so that I can really be
>>>>>>>>>       part of the process of creating real interfaces for
>>>>>>>>> everyone.
>>>>>>>>>       It’s frustrating to know that most companies follow what is
>>>>>>>>>       standard and forget that standards are meant to be broken
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>       updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s
>>>>>>>>>       broken, it should be free, such as what google offers.
>>>>>>>>> Buying
>>>>>>>>>       a 3000 dollar piece of hardware to get clunky experiences
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>       moments where you want to throw that damn thing out the
>>>>>>>>>       window and never touch it again is clearly not what I call
>>>>>>>>>       good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends,
>>>>>>>>>       mac users, both sighted and visually impaired, agree with me
>>>>>>>>>       that apple is starting to rot in terms of presenting it’s
>>>>>>>>>       image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil tanker that
>>>>>>>>>       can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers
>>>>>>>>>       behind murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being
>>>>>>>>>       probably more complacent than should be, thus giving us this
>>>>>>>>>       weird awkward show each year now with a barely straight
>>>>>>>>>       talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never had a girl friend
>>>>>>>>>       chill time or something seems amiss in him. Some soul?
>>>>>>>>>       Something. Whatever the case, I don’t really dig the style
>>>>>>>>>       apple is portraying. It’s becoming a disney world
>>>>>>>>>       presentation with oooohs and aaahs when the tech behind is
>>>>>>>>>       quite literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when this
>>>>>>>>>       qualification should by now, from all the sci fi, the
>>>>>>>>>       research and the graduations of bright people, should
>>>>>>>>> lead us
>>>>>>>>>       much farther in terms of actual interaction with a computer,
>>>>>>>>>       and let’s not forget screen readers.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Yuma Antoine Decaux
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       "Light has no value without darkness"
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Mob: +612102277190
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       Skype: Shainobi1
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>       twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
>>>>>>>>> 
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