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> On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Let's get a few things straight.
>  
> I really  don't give a rat's ass what you think of me, or if you like me or 
> not.  I didn't break NDA.  There is absolutely nothing and I repeat nothing! 
> wrong with saying that people will be impressed with an OS.  There is nothing 
> wrong with me stating that I downloaded I O S 9.  there is nothing wrong with 
> me saying that there are some bugs here and there, as that's only to be 
> expected.  Further, there was nothing I see wrong with asking how to report a 
> bug on the bug reporter, if you can't figure it out.  I violated nothing in 
> Apple's terms, which I highly doubt you even read, all things considered, by 
> doing so.  I leaked no information by asking such.  Asking how to navigate a 
> web site isn't against their policy.  Besides, even if it were, it's not like 
> you could do anything with the info I gave.  If you're not a developer, you 
> couldn't even get to that page to start with, as your Apple ID wouldn't have 
> developer access to start with.
>  
> If you really don't care, then why  in god's living hell! did you even write 
> this on list?  Or, off... for that mind.  If you don't care, then shove my 
> mails where the sun don't shine, and grow the pissy fuck up!  I'm not out to 
> get anyone!  Your comment about calling Apple 911 is absolutely childish!  As 
> for a CSV, you don't need to know exactly how I'd go about reporting things 
> more than I'd call the toll free number and talk to them.  If they wanted 
> some sort of a CSV, then I'd provide that, but that would be up to them, not 
> me.  All I can do is be the honest person and report it if I see something.
>  
> I'm done with this thread, and any further e-mails I see from you regarding 
> this subject will immediately be ignored, so honestly, you're wasting your 
> time by thinking I will answer your messages any further.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Yuma Decaux
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:28 AM
> Subject: Re: el capitan
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> I am frankly getting a bit tired of your constant tirades and your non 
> sequitur and daily 30 or so messages that speak of everything but actual 
> factual. You call yourself a developer and nagged that you got a developer 
> account 4 days ago and how Apple mistreated you. You call others out for 
> violating the NDA and yourself are constantly talking about the IOS and the 
> mac OS betas. Now you’re going out fascistic and saying that you will report 
> about other people downloading torrents. You’re mixing everything up and 
> quite honestly, this is shitkicking for nothing. What are you going to do 
> sincerely? You got some kind of NSA pass to snoop on other people’s 
> activities and telling us you have that power when you can’t find a button on 
> an interface to send a bug report? You’re going to call 911-apple and provide 
> them an .csv file of everyone who mentioned certain keywords on this mailing 
> list, and why not put some who question your ethics, just cuz they pissed you 
> off? What’s your project here, what’s your goal? Do I really care? No, I 
> actually care more about talking tech, not tech support. Future observations, 
> not recycled transmission. and not receiving this kind of stuff.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 14/06/2015, at 3:06 PM, gs <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Christopher-Mark -
>> Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information 
>> that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating 
>> system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any 
>> help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has 
>> violated the law.
>> 
>> If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
>> vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a 
>> rigorous ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion 
>> where you seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report 
>> issues to Apple.
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
>> statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend 
>> your policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that 
>> it is acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
>>  How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
>> instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
>> where you will not "bend this policy."
>> 
>> I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
>> through this garbage.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm 
>> legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm 
>> not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of 
>> the very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any 
>> circumstances!
>>  
>> But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates should 
>> be the least! of your worries.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: el capitan
>>> 
>>> Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates 
>>> it may have in the future?
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 
>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Ricardo, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for confirming. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Looking forward to downloading. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> They will be available in the public beta program in July.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> hth
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed <[email protected]>    
>>>>>>>>>               wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
>>>>>>>> the public beta program? 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Totally missed the stream. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Certificate IV in International Trade 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Vocational College of Business 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> RMIT University 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent using OS X Mail 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out 
>>>>>>>>> that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But 
>>>>>>>>> getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on 
>>>>>>>>> this thing. I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will 
>>>>>>>>> be able to beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but 
>>>>>>>>> what about El Capitan?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
>>>>>>>>>> work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan 
>>>>>>>>>> beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main 
>>>>>>>>>> concern is will I                      be able to run it on my mid 
>>>>>>>>>> 2010 white MacBook? From what I heard on Twitter, it sounds like El 
>>>>>>>>>> Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or something like that. So 
>>>>>>>>>> is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my White MacBook
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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