You're 100% correct.  Devin.  Again, I don't like admitting it, but I do 
appreciate you calling me out on this.  NO, seriously, really, I do!  I'm not 
kidding around.  I was in the wrong in how I handled the situation.  I've been 
up all night with a sore throat, and am just really tired.  And what's worse, 
is I have to work today overtime, so I can't just go to bed.  Otherwise I 
would.  All this said though, my tiredness does not excuse the way I presented 
myself.  It was very distasteful.  Please accept my apology.

Chris.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Devin Prater 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 9:27 AM
  Subject: Re: el capitan


  I agree. If I were still in school and had emails going to my school email 
address, I’d be in plenty of trouble with the principal right about now. Keep 
that in mind guys. Sure most of us, myself included, are adults and all, but my 
goodness its not just a few who are on this list, and its not just whoever you 
direct your palace at that hears or reads your words.

    On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:20 AM, [email protected] wrote:


    There is something to be said for having a civil tongue.

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jun 14, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<[email protected]> wrote:


      Let's get a few things straight.

      I really  don't give a rat's ass what you think of me, or if you like me 
or not.  I didn't break NDA.  There is absolutely nothing and I repeat nothing! 
wrong with saying that people will be impressed with an OS.  There is nothing 
wrong with me stating that I downloaded I O S 9.  there is nothing wrong with 
me saying that there are some bugs here and there, as that's only to be 
expected.  Further, there was nothing I see wrong with asking how to report a 
bug on the bug reporter, if you can't figure it out.  I violated nothing in 
Apple's terms, which I highly doubt you even read, all things considered, by 
doing so.  I leaked no information by asking such.  Asking how to navigate a 
web site isn't against their policy.  Besides, even if it were, it's not like 
you could do anything with the info I gave.  If you're not a developer, you 
couldn't even get to that page to start with, as your Apple ID wouldn't have 
developer access to start with.

      If you really don't care, then why  in god's living hell! did you even 
write this on list?  Or, off... for that mind.  If you don't care, then shove 
my mails where the sun don't shine, and grow the pissy fuck up!  I'm not out to 
get anyone!  Your comment about calling Apple 911 is absolutely childish!  As 
for a CSV, you don't need to know exactly how I'd go about reporting things 
more than I'd call the toll free number and talk to them.  If they wanted some 
sort of a CSV, then I'd provide that, but that would be up to them, not me.  
All I can do is be the honest person and report it if I see something.

      I'm done with this thread, and any further e-mails I see from you 
regarding this subject will immediately be ignored, so honestly, you're wasting 
your time by thinking I will answer your messages any further.

      Chris.

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Yuma Decaux 
        To: [email protected] 
        Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:28 AM
        Subject: Re: el capitan


        Christopher,


        I am frankly getting a bit tired of your constant tirades and your non 
sequitur and daily 30 or so messages that speak of everything but actual 
factual. You call yourself a developer and nagged that you got a developer 
account 4 days ago and how Apple mistreated you. You call others out for 
violating the NDA and yourself are constantly talking about the IOS and the mac 
OS betas. Now you’re going out fascistic and saying that you will report about 
other people downloading torrents. You’re mixing everything up and quite 
honestly, this is shitkicking for nothing. What are you going to do sincerely? 
You got some kind of NSA pass to snoop on other people’s activities and telling 
us you have that power when you can’t find a button on an interface to send a 
bug report? You’re going to call 911-apple and provide them an .csv file of 
everyone who mentioned certain keywords on this mailing list, and why not put 
some who question your ethics, just cuz they pissed you off? What’s your 
project here, what’s your goal? Do I really care? No, I actually care more 
about talking tech, not tech support. Future observations, not recycled 
transmission. and not receiving this kind of stuff.










          On 14/06/2015, at 3:06 PM, gs <[email protected]> wrote:


          Christopher-Mark - 
          Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received 
information that someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the 
operating system and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting 
it? Any help you can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who 
has violated the law.


          If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the 
vigilance with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous 
ethical position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion where you 
seemed to have some doubts related to your ability to report issues to Apple.


          Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your 
statement that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend your 
policy (I assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that it is 
acceptable to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
           How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
          where you will not "bend this policy."


          I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of 
wading through this garbage.




          On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<[email protected]> wrote:


          I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, 
I'm legally obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, 
I'm not so prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of 
the very few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any circumstances!

          But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates 
should be the least! of your worries.

          Chris.

            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Shawn Krasniuk
            To: [email protected]
            Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
            Subject: Re: el capitan


            Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software 
updates it may have in the future? 


            Shawn
            Sent from my White MacBook






              On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf <[email protected]> wrote:


              No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site 
for free.


              On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:

                Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 
                On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

                  Hi Ricardo, 


                  Thanks for confirming. 


                  Looking forward to downloading. 


                  Regards, 

                  Sadam Ahmed  


                  Sent from my iPhone  


                  -- 





                  On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker 
<[email protected]> wrote:


                    Hello,

                    They will be available in the public beta program in July.

                    hth

                      On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed 
<[email protected]> wrote:



                      Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to 
download as part of the public beta program? 



                      Totally missed the stream. 



                      It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM 
in Australia. 



                      Sadam Ahmed 



                      Certificate IV in International Trade 



                      Vocational College of Business 



                      RMIT University 



                      LinkedIn: 



                      https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 



                      
https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
 



                      Sent using OS X Mail 









                        On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk 
<[email protected]> wrote:



                        I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. 
I found out that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But 
getting back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. 
I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will be able to beta test 
it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?



                        Shawn

                        Sent from my White MacBook







                          On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs 
<[email protected]> wrote:



                          The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and 
El Capitan will work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.



                          On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk 
<[email protected]> wrote:



                          Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download 
the El Capitan beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main 
concern is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I 
heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or 
something like that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.



                          Shawn

                          Sent from my White MacBook







                            On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas 
Herrera <[email protected]> wrote:



                            ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request 
again. :)

                              On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel 
<[email protected]> wrote:



                              Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.



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