You wrote:
The one issue I would take with Chris's post, is that owning a copy of a
song/book/movie, etc. isn't the same as owning the copyright... snip...
I did, say it was going out a bit of a stretch, did I not?
Chris.
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From: "Donna Goodin" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2015 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
The one issue I would take with Chris's post, is that owning a copy of a
song/book/movie, etc. isn't the same as owning the copyright, so that
analogy just doesn't hold. All I want is the option to own my copy free and
clear. If I go to B&N and buy a book, that book is mine. I can take it on
vacation, read it to my kid, display it on my desk, etc. If I buy a music
track, I want the same thing. If I want it on a different device or a CD, I
want to be able to put it there. That's very different from the type of
things that a copyright allows you to do. I don't need to be able to sell
it to a television network for use in a commercial. I just want free
movement of that one copy that I have purchased. So yes, if I buy the song,
I should have the right to freely manipulate the song so long as it is for
my own personal use.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Apple Music or with the myriad of
other similar services. In fact, I've been kind of surprised by all the
hoopla it has received on this list. There's really nothing novel about it.
Apple's just gotten their hands into the streaming market along with
Sirius/XM, Spotify, and a host of others. We subscribe to Sirius, and quite
enjoy it. However, when Apple starts mucking around with my rights
regarding music I have legitimately purchased, then I do take issue.
On Jul 4, 2015, at 2:18 AM, christopher hallsworth
<[email protected]> wrote:
Great post. Cheers!
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On 3 Jul 2015, at 23:44, Christopher-Mark Gilland <[email protected]>
wrote:
Actually,
Let's be very clear here. I actually love the openness you get with
Android. In fact, in some ways, I like it a bit more than Apple. this
however said, the way I see it is like this: Apple is great for some
things, and Android is good for others.
I actually think it's awesome how Apple did their whole thing with Apple
Music legistically. Think about it this way.
You've heard about this new band who is hot on the radio. They're not
typically your style, but you're willing to have an open mind. So, what
do you do? You go find them in ITunes, and you stream the album totally
for free. You can do it unlimited amount a times, 1 time a day, or 10
thousand! times a day. OK, fine, smart alak, you can't get 10000 plays
in one day, but you get my point. Point being, you're never! never never
ever ever obligated or require to buy it. If you like it enough, and
feel it is worth it, and you really want to support the artist, and you
really want to buy the album, then buy it! What if an album goes out of
print before you have that chance? Well, that's justa risk you take.
Most things though don't go out of print unless there's a really good
reason for it, so that really isn't a completely logical excuse. It kind
of is, I'll admit, but not really.
I see both sides of this. I know that people want to own their music,
but think of it this way. Technically, you don't own the music anyway.
You don't own the copy rights on it, do ya? So, technically speaking, I
know this is going on a major stretch, but is it really your's? No, it's
not.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher hallsworth"
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To: "macvisionaries" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
May I kindly therefore suggest you leave the Apple ecosystem and go with
a system like Android or Windows? When you buy an Apple product, you have
to agree to "their" terms and be in their ecosystem. Don't like it? Don't
agree to "their" terms, sell or return your Apple products and go for a
more open platform. Chris, myself and others, even my friend of ten years
this October, love Apple very much and will always stick by them. Sorry,
I just can't understand the complaints of such a new service and the
ecosystem altogether, especially if they themselves are on an Apple list.
Just my £0.02 worth.
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On 3 Jul 2015, at 22:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<[email protected]> wrote:
I suppose next, you're going to tell us how to get a copy of jaws
totally for free illegally! Oh, come on! It won't hurt to steel from
the company! Rauight! Smirk?
Never mind my major! sarcasm.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaf" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Downloading from Apple Music library
+1.
I've tried cracking the DRM with stuff like Sound Taxi with no luck.
They've apparently modified/strengthened the DRM protection which sucks,
but somebody will come up with a workaround soon.
95% of my offline music collection is in FLAC. I cannot comprehend
depending on streaming services to deliver my music. £10 per month is
ridiculous - and I don't own a local, non-protected copy of any of my
tracks while I am subscribed.
Streaming music appeals to many because they think they're getting a
good deal and don't have to torrent stuff all the time. Same thing with
Netflix. If people are happy with that then it's really their choice,
but why wouldn't you want to own a local copy of material? What if the
internet dies, you're capped, you have a slow connection etc?
Finally, if I want to support an artist I'll make an effort to meet them
and find alternative ways of donating to them, rather than purchasing
from a company who takes a 30% cut of the funds. That is just wrong, and
same goes for developers who make incredible apps and are forced to
upload their apps in the app store. Apple don't deserve 30% of a cut.
Not even payment gateways take that much.
-Shaf
On 7/3/2015 2:24 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
DRM is evil. Apple DRM is no exception, even if they’ve probably
invented the least annoying kind of DRM there is, it’s still DRM and it
still restricts you, all in the name of artificial market
differentiation. Which is wrong, and evil.
As to Apple Music, I can see myself using it for discovery, but I’ll
never allow my library to become tainted with the content. It’s just
too great a risk, for me and I think for others; if streaming becomes
popular and therefore exclusive, music ownership will be lost forever.
Also, it’s fairly well known that streaming and rentals don’t help
artists nearly as much as purchases, because there’s fierce competition
on the margins and of course the listening tastes of listeners are not
nearly as uniform as one might hope for the artists.
So, yes, very awesome, but let’s not forget what this is about: you’re
paying for a closed service that will end when you stop paying for it.
Online or offline, indistinguishable from the real thing or not, the
service is either a way for you to stay locked in, or a way for you to
purchase songs. And it’s all thanks to DRM. I’d have hoped for a
thousand other different models that reconciled reality with market
desires, perhaps involving lossless formats or automatic purchases of
offline downloads, but there it is. Please don’t fall into the trap of
thinking you own anything you listen to on Apple Music.
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