The El Capitan discussion is totally out in the open at 
https://forums.developer.apple.com/community/pre-release/os-x-1011-beta.

I don’t no why anyone wouldn’t want to discuss it here though.

On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:55 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:

Hi,
I too believe that a mailing list for VO beta testers would be better than a 
thread here.
/Krister

> 13 juli 2015 kl. 01:37 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
> 
>  The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are not on 
> board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical.
> 
>  It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are times 
> when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time.
> 
>  No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say this 
> proposal will fail.
> 
>  What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in beta 
> testing?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
>> I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is 
>> trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try to 
>> help as much as I can.
>> 
>> Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude 
>> trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your messages 
>> go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone.
>> 
>> Have a great week, chump
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going to 
>>> also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail filter?  
>>> This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish to?
>>> 
>>> Smirk?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yuma Decaux" <jamy...@gmail.com>
>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM
>>> Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s 
>>> amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and 
>>> features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss these 
>>> things, including all comments from individuals doing the same in these 
>>> articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem either for 
>>> mailing lists and other communication channels.
>>> 
>>> So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different 
>>> inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so that 
>>> those who have feedback assistant can report this to the engineers. The 
>>> idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be squashed, by sheer number 
>>> of reports. Some will not have the time to write the thing down properly 
>>> but can definetely participate since legally those discussions are possible.
>>> 
>>> I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible since 
>>> all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to be as good 
>>> as it can get.
>>> 
>>> I believe there should be a few rules:
>>> 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread
>>> 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured method of 
>>> explaining the process so that others can easily replicate it
>>> 3-All should be in the same thread in order not to hijack the mailing list 
>>> with everyone reporting issues, which can clutter the list from certain 
>>> everyday technical questions other non public beta users may have.
>>> 
>>> This is a proposal, and I’m not quite on the go ahead as I would like to 
>>> make sure every angle is covered before really going through it.
>>> 
>>> A question: where are the moderators in this list? Can someone give me 
>>> his/her email?
>>> 
>>> Thanks, and have an awesome week
>>> 
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