Hi all, I think everyone should ppay close attention to what Kara has said below. I think, also, that it was well said and I for one will continue on the list as long as it is in opperation. Thanks for all the good work, I am a listserve administrator of a small list, and I know some of the hassels of which you speak. Take care, Jerry Doody [email protected] On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:50 am, Singing Sparrow <[email protected]> wrote:
Cara, Very well said, I for one thank you for the great work you put through the group and the help you give others. I joined the list because i am very new to the mac world of products and am glad to finally find a list that could be of some help. If i may ask what version of OSX did you start out on? Again thanks a lot Cara for the time you have put out to help everyone with their mac problems and the other things you do for others. I will be praying for you and your family. God Bless you. On 8/28/2015 2:50 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: > Hello All, > > I felt I needed to send this along to clear some air, respond to some > comments and address some assumptions which seem to be going around in regard > to this list and my list involvement in the current situation and over the > past few months. > > Firstly, I only mentioned my current situation with my loved one simply to be > open and honest about exactly why it is that I am not able to address matters > more quickly. That is the *only* reason. The list situation has been so > volatile that I felt you all deserve this and that it was only fair of me. > > Secondly, I was in no way lecturing any of you on what you should be doing or > holding anyone here to any higher of a standard than I would consider holding > myself. So if my note came off like that, then please understand this was not > at all my intention. I simply meant to suggest a way to quell the current > list tide until I can more appropriately address these important issues. > > In addition, many of you seem to be under the assumption that I do not pay > any attention whatsoever to this list and that there is no moderation going > on here at all. This is simply not the case. There is, and has been someone > who has been kind enough to help manage whatever aspects of the list they > can, when they can. So the idea that I somehow do not care or have not been > considerate of this list is simply and completely incorrect. > > I also check in on this list every couple of days. I do not read every single > post, but I do read some and I do skim as well. Since as I’ve said above, > there has been moderation behind the scenes, I felt this was appropriate. > > Since I did miss a serious issue, it is obviously not. So as I have mentioned > before, I am currently deciding on additional moderators to assist. > > Make no mistake, as CJ has mentioned, if any list member here is shown any > kind of abuse through this list, it matters to me very deeply. The fact that > I did not know this was going on does not mean I do not care or that I do not > pay any attention here. I simply missed this in my checks of the list. This > does not mean I do not view this as my responsibility. On the contrary, I > take full responsibility for this. However, it does mean that I am a human > being and do miss things from time to time. It is, and always has been > extremely important to me that any list I moderate be a safe place for every > member on it. I take this very seriously. This is very deep to who I am. > -And, as I have already said, I am deeply sorry for the kind of insanity that > has happened here. > > Having said this, I feel it is important for me to ask that you please > understand, I am also not a service that people are entitled to, I am a > person and as such, have a life and will occasionally miss things that go on > here. Now, I am not saying that you all feel this way, but there are > certainly some who seem to. I will try (as I have always done here) to do the > best I can for this list. > > Understand that I get absolutely no compensation of any kind for the running > of this list, and am lucky if I ever have received more than two thank you > notes per year, every year that I have worked with this list, even at its > best of times. I certainly get my share of demands, criticism, questions, > help requests and general comments. This is fine, I expect this but please > realize that this is, and has always been simply a labor of love so to speak. > > I do very much view the running of this list and my others as my > responsibility. I care very deeply about helping this community so this sort > of thing affects me more than you may realize. Some have also accused me of > some sort of power trip by still being this list’s owner. Firstly, no one has > asked me for list ownership and secondly, though this is a community, and as > Jonathan has mentioned, a brand, this is, at the end of the day, simply a > mailing list. This is not some sort of power trip to me. Yes, I can assist > you all in keeping this community going, but as I have said before, it is you > who keep this community going. I can only assist you all. You are the > community and I am a member of it just like you. This mailing list is merely > a vehicle for you the community to express yourselves and I can assist. Our > community means a lot to me so I feel this list is a very important resource. > > I am not sure how much clearer or more honest I can be. I will apologize once > again and simply say that this matters to me whether it seems like it or not. > > As I have said, I will address what list issues I can now, (like getting > another mod) and address any others as soon as time allows on my end. > > Let me close by saying how much I appreciate your understanding and support > and your taking time to read this. > > I wish you and yours, a lovely day / evening. (wherever you may be) Talk with > you all soon… > > Sincerely, > > Cara > On Aug 27, 2015, at 9:17 AM, CJ Daniel <[email protected]> wrote: > > Cara, > > As someone who once held his own child while she passed, I can sympathize > with your distress as you face end-of-life issues with a friend. > However, as I learned during a similar time of my own, life goes on. In > particular, I had to continue dealing with the day-to-day aspects of my job @ > a busy non-profit organization & delegate responsibilities to others as > required. > > However, all of that being said, I don’t believe that the level of > frustration, being experienced by the majority of this list’s members, is > either understood or being acted upon by you or any other moderator. In > addition, I don’t feel that a lecture on maturity or the usage of the delete > key is warranted or appropriate. You are in effect calling the well-behaved > members of this list to higher standards, while asking them to ignore or > overlook the poor behavior of the individual who has chosen to ignore polite > conventions that help to govern the interactions of society. Honestly, some > of the posts I’ve seen by this individual directed a while back @ one of the > ladies on this list, if directed @ my wife or one of my daughters, would have > been cause for a swift & violent physical reaction. > > In short, while I feel deeply for you, the situation on this list has been > ignored for far to long & is snow-balling. The, kind & considerate members > of this list are, basically, pleading with you to either appoint a moderator > who will act on these sorts of issues or—if life’s circumstances are > preventing your full participation in this list’s activities—then relinquish > ownership to some one who has the time & where-with-all to make a positive > difference. I hope you can understand that all of this is offered with > compassion towards you. > > With great regard, > > CJ Daniel > > >> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Cara Quinn <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> firstly, this list is not going to die. >> >> Now, to be completely frank and honest with you all. I have been in the >> hospital for days now, visiting with a very dear one to me, who is passing >> away. >> >> So honestly, I cannot address any of these matters right now. >> >> The fact is, you are all adults and you know enough to ignore posts or >> posters who simply want (for whatever reason) to incite or stir the pot so >> to speak. >> >> So if there is a message you do not wish to read, or do not agree with, just >> delete it and move on. This is the adult thing to do. >> >> Neither a list owner or moderator are magic people who make everything >> alright. Yes, we can ban people, etc, but in the end, this comes down to you >> all managing yourselves in a way which you all are proud of. >> >> that is what makes this list worth something. >> >> So if you feel this list is a resource you wish to preserve and help to >> grow, as you have been doing now for years, then just simply act in >> accordance with those beliefs which you know to be right and the rest will >> follow. >> >> I promise you, I will address this more fully when I can. I am sure (or at >> least would hope) that in light of these circumstances, that you would >> understand. >> >> My sincerest apologies that there have been issues of late. Some of these >> are actually being dealt with already, in the background, but the fact that >> this topic exists says that you need more. >> >> I will do more as soon as I can. >> >> For now, please use your own good judgement and simply act as you know you >> should, and this list will be the kind and helping place that it has been. >> >> Thank you all for reading this and I will be in touch again soon. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Cara >> --- >> iOS design and development - LookTel.com >> --- >> View my Online Portfolio at: >> >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn >> >> Follow me on Twitter! >> >> https://twitter.com/ModelCara >> >> On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Just wondering after reading all the messages of whether this list should be >> or not be, is this list going to continue or is it going to die? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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