Hi, A majority of the serious bugs I can't even reproduce, and only all moderate bugs appear here. Only five minor bugs, and those are easy to deal with. Even the supposed "serious" bugs I can reproduce rarely actually happen, and it's far from a showstopper.
For instance, audio ducking. I only see this particular issue when an application sound plays just as VoiceOVer speaks, and even then, it's very rare. Obviously some computers might have more of these bugs more easily reproduced, although so far, that hasn't been so much the case on the multiple macs I've tried this on, going down to a 2008 MacBook. So I agree for the most part with what is being said here. It's important to know how easily these bugs are actually to reproduce, but if you're just your average consumer and the bug sounds horrible, you're not going to upgrade because you have no idea whether it'll happen on a near constant basis. I think this is an important distinction to make. It's a lot easier to live with a serious bug that only occurs maybe once or twice in 24 hours, as opposed to always. I certainly don't see this much negativity when new JAWS or NVDA releases come out, but as soon as the screen reader is included in the operating system, everyone is all over it. There's always a new set of bugs everywhere, and bugs come and go. Unfortunately, VoiceOver bugs do seem to take a backseat on quite a few occasions, but a lot of them do eventually get ironed out in later releases. The Mac doesn't bite. :) Nicolai > On Oct 1, 2015, at 8:40 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera <[email protected]> > wrote: > > same here, i don't see any major bugs. and i love it. audio dosking is not > happening here as the first beta. >> On 01 Oct 2015, at 2:25 PM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> No I agree with you, that’s why I mentioned what I thought about bugs. The >> whole vibe I get from this thread is there are a lot of people afraid of >> their machines. None of this stuff is hard to revert, especially if you >> have a good backup which Apple makes it ridiculously easy to do. No guts, >> no glory! >> >>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 4:13 AM, Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> A philosophical pondering which probably will get me flogged and called >>> names but isn’t it strange how when a new release of the MacOs comes out, >>> the things that stay longest around in the blind community are the bugs and >>> the negative? If by chance there would be things that actually could effect >>> us positively that would hardly be mentioned at all and if they are, they >>> quickly drown in the negative comments. I have used El Capitan from Beta 1 >>> and am loving it! I’ve noticed one bug but i can live with it since it was >>> much, much worse in the developer betas. I can’t remember this much >>> negativity coming when windows or new jaws releases came along, it’s like >>> Apple still is the under dog and it has to be perfect and even then we’d >>> probably find something that’s not right. >>> But why should anyone listen i’m a minority and go against what the >>> majority says so i must be wrong by default. >>> /Krister >>> >>>> 30 sep. 2015 kl. 19:56 skrev Alex Hall <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> Just a note to say that El Capitan has been released. I compiled a bug >>>> list for AppleVis which I strongly recommend everyone looks at, as there >>>> are some pretty major problems on there. I also wrote a blog, and did a >>>> podcast, covering the new features in VoiceOver. Links: >>>> >>>> Bug List: >>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/mac-os-x-news/accessibility-bugs-os-x-1011-el-capitan-serious-minor >>>> >>>> New Features Blog: >>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/assistive-technology-mac-os-x-news/whats-new-os-x-1011-el-capitan-voiceover-users >>>> >>>> New Features Podcast: >>>> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-some-new-accessibility-features-os-x-1011-el-capitan >>>> >>>> I realized, in reading this email back, that it might come off as a little >>>> arrogant. I don't mean it that way, I just wanted to give people a single >>>> place to get some coverage about the new OS, and those are the only >>>> accessibility-centric sources I know of for now. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Have a great day, >>>> Alex Hall >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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