To the person who said they don't remember negativity when new releases of screen readers came along, I can only say, I don't know where you were. But I used to be a regular on the window eyes list. And let me say, there were tons and tons and tons of complaints every time new releases came out. There were, in fact, bugs, some of them serious affecting some people. And that screen reader vendor was a very small player in a very big pond, contending with multiple versions of the OS an endless configurations a hardware. I think the reason people expect more from Apple is because Apple has a reputation, their stuff sells for more than everybody else's, they are the richest company in the tech sector, and they used to say, "it just works."and for better or worse, they have taken up the gauntlet of accessibility and done a lot of very good things. Are you listening Microsoft? Where is your screen reader? But this isn't about comparing apples with anybody else. It is about what Apple supposedly stands for. Bug free? No. Serious bug free upon release? To be devoutly wished for. To the folks who say that some of us regular consumers are "afraid of our machines", I would only say, when you buy any other complicated machine such as a car, or even a complicated video set up or one of today's fancier home appliances, do you expect to have to fool with it get into the inside of it, mess with it, restarted restore it repair it? No, of course not. But there is a different standard being held for users of computers. Maybe some of it dates back to that "good old days". Maybe it's just that some people are in the tech industry and have a lot of knowledge. But, just as I would not have expected anyone to be able to do my job off the street, I don't think it is realistic or even reasonable to suppose that people who get a new OS or a new machine should have to straightway start screwing around with it before they can use it. If that makes me a complainer, so be it. I really appreciate that Apple has done a lot with voiceover, including the new features in the new version of OS X. I will wait to see what the good folks at Apple his who did the original report, have to say about these bugs.
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote: > > No I agree with you, that’s why I mentioned what I thought about bugs. The > whole vibe I get from this thread is there are a lot of people afraid of > their machines. None of this stuff is hard to revert, especially if you have > a good backup which Apple makes it ridiculously easy to do. No guts, no > glory! > >> On Oct 1, 2015, at 4:13 AM, Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> A philosophical pondering which probably will get me flogged and called >> names but isn’t it strange how when a new release of the MacOs comes out, >> the things that stay longest around in the blind community are the bugs and >> the negative? If by chance there would be things that actually could effect >> us positively that would hardly be mentioned at all and if they are, they >> quickly drown in the negative comments. I have used El Capitan from Beta 1 >> and am loving it! I’ve noticed one bug but i can live with it since it was >> much, much worse in the developer betas. I can’t remember this much >> negativity coming when windows or new jaws releases came along, it’s like >> Apple still is the under dog and it has to be perfect and even then we’d >> probably find something that’s not right. >> But why should anyone listen i’m a minority and go against what the majority >> says so i must be wrong by default. >> /Krister >> >>> 30 sep. 2015 kl. 19:56 skrev Alex Hall <[email protected]>: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> Just a note to say that El Capitan has been released. I compiled a bug list >>> for AppleVis which I strongly recommend everyone looks at, as there are >>> some pretty major problems on there. I also wrote a blog, and did a >>> podcast, covering the new features in VoiceOver. Links: >>> >>> Bug List: >>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/mac-os-x-news/accessibility-bugs-os-x-1011-el-capitan-serious-minor >>> >>> New Features Blog: >>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/assistive-technology-mac-os-x-news/whats-new-os-x-1011-el-capitan-voiceover-users >>> >>> New Features Podcast: >>> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-some-new-accessibility-features-os-x-1011-el-capitan >>> >>> I realized, in reading this email back, that it might come off as a little >>> arrogant. I don't mean it that way, I just wanted to give people a single >>> place to get some coverage about the new OS, and those are the only >>> accessibility-centric sources I know of for now. >>> >>> -- >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex Hall >>> [email protected] >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
