So, now, I have even a more concerning issue.
This went from me being annoyed to now me being majorly pissed off! I
booted to the backup image I have of Yosemite, and reimaged it back over to
my internal drive.
That took what seemed like an eternity! Finally, it finnished. Once it did
however, I noticed as I'd fallen asleep while it was finnishing. I got
tired of waiting... anyway... I noticed that my screen was completely off,
totally dimmed. The light on my external hard drive still was on though,
and was solid, not flickerring. therefore, I knew the drive wasn't
reading/writing anything. I hit fn+F2 a few times just in case my
brightness somehow got turned way down. Nothing at all happened.
I pressed and immediately released the power button, thinking maybe this
would somehow wake the thing up. Wishful thinking! It didn't. I knew that
the image has finnished copying as though I'd lied down, I just so happened
to have been awake when it finnished, so I heard Voiceover tell me last
night it was done with no errors.
So, I did the only logical thing left to do. I hated it, but I didn't have
a choice. I held in the power button until the system went off. I then
unplugged the drive from my USB, and powered on the system.
I heard the chime, waited for about 15 years, then finally the stupid thing
came up and told me I'd improperly shut down with open windows, do I want to
reopen them, or cancel. I hit cancel. This way I'd be starting fresh.
The system then booted, and I got to my Finder. As soon as the finder came
up, the screen went black again, and Voiceover totally shat the bed again.
Command+F5 did nothing. Neither did fn+Command+F5.
I plugged my drive back in, and tried rebooting. No good. Yes, I tried
booting holding down the option key, to get to the boot menu, hoping maybe
it was just a need of switching the startup disk. That did absolutely no
good.
Finally, I decided at my last gut, to just wipe the damn thing clean. So, I
botted, and held down command+R to get into recovery. When I did that, the
apple came up on the screen with the white background right after the chime.
About 10 seconds later, that went away, and I had a solid white screen with
nothing. No text, no menu, no mouse pointer, no icons, no apple, no
spinning wheel, no hourglass, nothing. Just solid solid white. That sat
there for literally all eternity. It's now been over 1&1/2 hours, and the
thing still is sitting on that white screen.
I'm probably going to have to make a bootable USB Yosemite install disk, and
hope and pray that the dad blame thing boots so I can repartition, reformat,
and then reinstall.
Needless to say, I totally get that people are installing 10.11 with no
issue, but I stand to say that at least in my case, everything I do is
coming to a dead end. Frankly, I am a very advanced user, and wouldn't
normally pannick like this, but I'm starting to wonder if my macbook is now
toast.
This is driving me crazy, so any suggestions, and I'd be very happy.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "M. Taylor" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 2:30 AM
Subject: RE: Major setbacks with El Capitan
Hello Christopher,
Thank you so much for providing such a comprehensive description of your
reasons for returning to Yosemite.
I cannot speak as to the problems you're experiencing in iTunes but the mail
app is my most valued application in all of OS X.
I have not encountered any problems in the Mail application; however, I do
not test or use it in the Classic view. Even during the beta cycle, my
focus is primarily based on the default view, set to conversation without
showing the related messages option) complete with the preview pane intact.
Also, the only voices I use with VoiceOver are Alex and my beloved Samantha.
I would be interested to learn of your experience should you decide to
explore the default view layout in El Capitan Mail.
As an F Y I, I decided to learn to use the default view in preparation for
the day when Apple decides to discontinue the classic view option. Never
forget that they summarily discontinued the beloved iTunes Sidebar. When it
comes to Apple, the only constant is that things will change.
Thank you again.
Mark
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
Gilland
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 7:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Major setbacks with El Capitan
OK. Let me start by saying one positive thing.
El Capitan looks like it has the potential to be a great OS. This being
said, I'm at a position where even on my personal computers, not just on my
work audio production machine, I have made the decision to go back to
Yosemite, and not touch El Capitan with a 10 foot poll until some of these
issues I'm having are worked out. Below are all the things so far I've
observed. Again, realize that I am not complaining. Over time, I'm sure a
lot of this will get fixed, but at least for the time being, this is
ridiculous!
Busy Busy Busy!
This is the main bug which has caused me to say screw it! I'm going back.
No matter what voice I use, be it Alex, any of the Nuance voices, Any of the
Acapela TTS voices, whatever, practically every single app I have tried is
almost constantly reporting busy busy busy. Finally when the app does!
switch to ready status, it only stays there for a fraction of a second, then
goes busy again.
Can't Edit nor backspace text in Mail
This one's really aggervating. When typing an e-mail message, be it a
reply, a forward, or just totally from scratch, I can edit/backspace text up
to a certain point which I've not totally benchmarked, but after a certain
point, pressing the backspace key, or trying to move around and edit my
message doesn't work. Apparently, it works, but Voiceover says absolutely
nothing. When I try backspacing characters, Voiceover is totally silent.
Message List Table in Mail is slightly Broken
I should start this one by saying that I'm using the classic view of Mail.
I'm not sure if that matters, but i somehow doubt it does. It used to be
that I could vo+right arrow to the messages group and interact with it.
Then, I could vo+right arrow to the message list table. Then, without
interacting at all, I could simply down arrow through the list of messages.
Not VO+Down arrow. I'm literally saying just down arrow. The advantage of
doing it this way was that I wasn't interacting with the table, thereby
making it where virtically, it would only read one column at a time. This
way each row would read all columns at once. So right away, I knew who the
message was from, the subject, etc. Now, if I try doing this, just by down
arrowing when I reach the table, Voiceover says absolutely nothing. When I
press return on a message, it's not throwing me to the content of the
message. It's very inconsistent, so I can't really tell you where it lands,
as it seems to be kind a scatterbrained. Once I do! however get on the area
with the message content, regardless if I interact with the text field and
use vo+up and down arrow to read, or if I don't interact at all, but just up
and down arrow to read, Mail usually goes completely busy and by busy, I
don't mean Voiceover saying busy. I mean it goes so busy to the point where
literally nothing! speaks. Trying to command+tab out of the Mail app
sometimes works, but usually Voiceover lags for a good 30 seconds to a full
minute before catching up. When it does! catch back up I notice in the Mail
app that I no longer have focus on the message content, as it's jumped to
some other random place like the message headers, etc. Yes, to rimity these
issues, I did try restarting Voiceover, and yes, I've also fully tried
rebooting.
ITunes 12.3, and ICloud Music Library
I am subscribed both to Apple Music, as well as to ITunes Match. I have a
CD which is *definitely!* not in the ITunes Store, nor in Apple Music. I
know this as it's by a local artist, and she herself has told me directly
that she's not on ITunes, nor has any intention to be. Anyway, I manually
tagged all the tracks with the correct name, genre, an album title. I then
imported the disc into my library with my audio production system. That
worked absolutely perfectly. Now, mind you, that system is on Yosemite
10.10.5, but hear me out on this. I was going to lay down tonight and
listen to that disc, seeing the CD is all lullabys. That mood was ruinned
real! fast. I have uploaded from my production machine, the entire CD to my
ICloud library. In my room, I went on my white polycarbon macbook, running
the official non beta release of El Capitan, and also running ITunes 12.3.
Both that system, as well as my audio production machine here in the studio
have ICloud Music library enabled and set to be viewable. When I pulled up
ITunes on my macbook, I saw the album in there by Renee Carter, but none of
the tracks will play. I went to the file menu, library, and update ICloud
Music Library. This didn't even work.
I'm not sure what I did, but finally, finally, finally! after middle mucking
with it for about 10 minutes, I managed to get one of the tracks to play,
but the track list table for that album seems, according to Voiceover to
keep refreshing. It's almost like it's trying to download the album, but I
know it's not, as each track has a download button in the ICloud status
column of the table. The weird thing though is, at first, that download
button on each track was available. Now, all a sudden, it's becomed dimmed
on all 20 tracks on the disc. Further, under the album details group, the
download button for the whole album is also dimmed, whereas at first, it
wasn't. Even still though, the tracks won't play. I got that one track to
play maybe one time, but after that track finnhished playing, it wouldn't
play again, nor would any others. I looked to see where my music library
was being stored, in case it had changed, but it's not. It's in the
standard default:... ~/Music/ITunes. In there under ITunes Media/Music, I
don't see but one thing, which is a disc I ripped prior to upgrading to El
Capitan, and actually, even pryor to having Apple Music or ITunes Match.
That disc might be in ICloud, but I just know this much. It's definitely
locally on my macbook, as that's where I initially imported it from its
physical CD.
I should add that the Renee Carter disc which I initially mentioned I was
having issues with was not imported from files. I have the physical CD
media.
The Renee Carter disc is the only disc in my library be it local, or in
ICloud where the tracks are not seeming to play. They play fine on my
production machine where I actually ripped the disc, but then, over there, I
have the physical ripped files locally on my drive, so that's probably why.
All my other stuff plays on the macbook just fine, regardless the source
where I got the material, be it a CD, be it purchased from ITunes directly,
etc.
The other media aside the Renee Carter that does! play still has the issue
where the track list of the albums keep refreshing. I know this as every
few seconds, Voiceover pops me out of the track list table, and says album
grid. When I look, sure enough. I'm no longer focussed in the album
details, let alone on the track list table itself. I looked, and nothing is
in the LCD area saying things are downloading, and to the right of the
search field, there is no activity popup. I've quit ITunes, and relaunched
it. No good. I've signed out and back in to my Apple ID. no good. I've
disabled and re-enabled ITunes Match. No good. I've disabled and
re-enabled showing Apple Music. NO good. I have disabled and re-enabled
showing of ICloud Music. NO good.
Short of literally ripping the disc on to that system, which I certainly can
do, don't get me wrong, I don't know how else to get around this.
Anyway, these are the main things so far I've seen. I should add that it's
not just my white macbook having this issue. It's not a ram issue either,
as far as constantly getting busy messages. I know that system has only 2
gigs of ram in it, but I also tried with my macbook pro to run El Capitan.
That thing's got 16 gigs of ram in it, so there is no freaking way! that I
have inadiquit ram. I also should conclude by saying that yes. When I
installed El Capitan, I didn't install over the top of Yosemite. I did a
clean fresh install, literally totally wiping the partition, formatting, and
starting fresh. So that's not the problem either.
I'd be curious if any of you all have seen any of this stuff since updating.
Fortunately, I have a Superduper backup of Yosemite, so rolling these
machines back will be very very seemless. It's just really irritating.
Chris.
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