Quite frankly, I reckon, based on your description of all that has befallen you, you've got some mighty major core systemic issues which can only be resolved by entirely replacing your computer.
Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in!!! > On Oct 4, 2015, at 3:28 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <[email protected]> > wrote: > > So, now, I have even a more concerning issue. > > This went from me being annoyed to now me being majorly pissed off! I booted > to the backup image I have of Yosemite, and reimaged it back over to my > internal drive. > > That took what seemed like an eternity! Finally, it finnished. Once it did > however, I noticed as I'd fallen asleep while it was finnishing. I got tired > of waiting... anyway... I noticed that my screen was completely off, totally > dimmed. The light on my external hard drive still was on though, and was > solid, not flickerring. therefore, I knew the drive wasn't reading/writing > anything. I hit fn+F2 a few times just in case my brightness somehow got > turned way down. Nothing at all happened. > > I pressed and immediately released the power button, thinking maybe this > would somehow wake the thing up. Wishful thinking! It didn't. I knew that > the image has finnished copying as though I'd lied down, I just so happened > to have been awake when it finnished, so I heard Voiceover tell me last night > it was done with no errors. > > So, I did the only logical thing left to do. I hated it, but I didn't have a > choice. I held in the power button until the system went off. I then > unplugged the drive from my USB, and powered on the system. > > I heard the chime, waited for about 15 years, then finally the stupid thing > came up and told me I'd improperly shut down with open windows, do I want to > reopen them, or cancel. I hit cancel. This way I'd be starting fresh. > > The system then booted, and I got to my Finder. As soon as the finder came > up, the screen went black again, and Voiceover totally shat the bed again. > Command+F5 did nothing. Neither did fn+Command+F5. > > I plugged my drive back in, and tried rebooting. No good. Yes, I tried > booting holding down the option key, to get to the boot menu, hoping maybe it > was just a need of switching the startup disk. That did absolutely no good. > > Finally, I decided at my last gut, to just wipe the damn thing clean. So, I > botted, and held down command+R to get into recovery. When I did that, the > apple came up on the screen with the white background right after the chime. > About 10 seconds later, that went away, and I had a solid white screen with > nothing. No text, no menu, no mouse pointer, no icons, no apple, no spinning > wheel, no hourglass, nothing. Just solid solid white. That sat there for > literally all eternity. It's now been over 1&1/2 hours, and the thing still > is sitting on that white screen. > > I'm probably going to have to make a bootable USB Yosemite install disk, and > hope and pray that the dad blame thing boots so I can repartition, reformat, > and then reinstall. > > Needless to say, I totally get that people are installing 10.11 with no > issue, but I stand to say that at least in my case, everything I do is coming > to a dead end. Frankly, I am a very advanced user, and wouldn't normally > pannick like this, but I'm starting to wonder if my macbook is now toast. > > This is driving me crazy, so any suggestions, and I'd be very happy. > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Taylor" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 2:30 AM > Subject: RE: Major setbacks with El Capitan > > > Hello Christopher, > > Thank you so much for providing such a comprehensive description of your > reasons for returning to Yosemite. > > I cannot speak as to the problems you're experiencing in iTunes but the mail > app is my most valued application in all of OS X. > > I have not encountered any problems in the Mail application; however, I do > not test or use it in the Classic view. Even during the beta cycle, my focus > is primarily based on the default view, set to conversation without showing > the related messages option) complete with the preview pane intact. Also, the > only voices I use with VoiceOver are Alex and my beloved Samantha. > > I would be interested to learn of your experience should you decide to > explore the default view layout in El Capitan Mail. > > As an F Y I, I decided to learn to use the default view in preparation for > the day when Apple decides to discontinue the classic view option. Never > forget that they summarily discontinued the beloved iTunes Sidebar. When it > comes to Apple, the only constant is that things will change. > > Thank you again. > > Mark > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 7:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Major setbacks with El Capitan > > OK. Let me start by saying one positive thing. > > El Capitan looks like it has the potential to be a great OS. This being > said, I'm at a position where even on my personal computers, not just on my > work audio production machine, I have made the decision to go back to > Yosemite, and not touch El Capitan with a 10 foot poll until some of these > issues I'm having are worked out. Below are all the things so far I've > observed. Again, realize that I am not complaining. Over time, I'm sure a > lot of this will get fixed, but at least for the time being, this is > ridiculous! > > Busy Busy Busy! > > This is the main bug which has caused me to say screw it! I'm going back. No > matter what voice I use, be it Alex, any of the Nuance voices, Any of the > Acapela TTS voices, whatever, practically every single app I have tried is > almost constantly reporting busy busy busy. Finally when the app does! > switch to ready status, it only stays there for a fraction of a second, then > goes busy again. > > Can't Edit nor backspace text in Mail > > This one's really aggervating. When typing an e-mail message, be it a reply, > a forward, or just totally from scratch, I can edit/backspace text up to a > certain point which I've not totally benchmarked, but after a certain point, > pressing the backspace key, or trying to move around and edit my message > doesn't work. Apparently, it works, but Voiceover says absolutely nothing. > When I try backspacing characters, Voiceover is totally silent. > > Message List Table in Mail is slightly Broken > > I should start this one by saying that I'm using the classic view of Mail. > I'm not sure if that matters, but i somehow doubt it does. It used to be > that I could vo+right arrow to the messages group and interact with it. Then, > I could vo+right arrow to the message list table. Then, without interacting > at all, I could simply down arrow through the list of messages. Not VO+Down > arrow. I'm literally saying just down arrow. The advantage of doing it this > way was that I wasn't interacting with the table, thereby making it where > virtically, it would only read one column at a time. This way each row would > read all columns at once. So right away, I knew who the message was from, > the subject, etc. Now, if I try doing this, just by down arrowing when I > reach the table, Voiceover says absolutely nothing. When I press return on a > message, it's not throwing me to the content of the message. It's very > inconsistent, so I can't really tell you where it lands, as it seems to be > kind a scatterbrained. Once I do! however get on the area with the message > content, regardless if I interact with the text field and use vo+up and down > arrow to read, or if I don't interact at all, but just up and down arrow to > read, Mail usually goes completely busy and by busy, I don't mean Voiceover > saying busy. I mean it goes so busy to the point where literally nothing! > speaks. Trying to command+tab out of the Mail app sometimes works, but > usually Voiceover lags for a good 30 seconds to a full minute before catching > up. When it does! catch back up I notice in the Mail app that I no longer > have focus on the message content, as it's jumped to some other random place > like the message headers, etc. Yes, to rimity these issues, I did try > restarting Voiceover, and yes, I've also fully tried rebooting. > > ITunes 12.3, and ICloud Music Library > > I am subscribed both to Apple Music, as well as to ITunes Match. I have a CD > which is *definitely!* not in the ITunes Store, nor in Apple Music. I know > this as it's by a local artist, and she herself has told me directly that > she's not on ITunes, nor has any intention to be. Anyway, I manually tagged > all the tracks with the correct name, genre, an album title. I then imported > the disc into my library with my audio production system. That worked > absolutely perfectly. Now, mind you, that system is on Yosemite 10.10.5, but > hear me out on this. I was going to lay down tonight and listen to that > disc, seeing the CD is all lullabys. That mood was ruinned real! fast. I > have uploaded from my production machine, the entire CD to my ICloud library. > In my room, I went on my white polycarbon macbook, running the official non > beta release of El Capitan, and also running ITunes 12.3. Both that system, > as well as my audio production machine here in the studio have ICloud Music > library enabled and set to be viewable. When I pulled up ITunes on my > macbook, I saw the album in there by Renee Carter, but none of the tracks > will play. I went to the file menu, library, and update ICloud Music > Library. This didn't even work. > > I'm not sure what I did, but finally, finally, finally! after middle mucking > with it for about 10 minutes, I managed to get one of the tracks to play, but > the track list table for that album seems, according to Voiceover to keep > refreshing. It's almost like it's trying to download the album, but I know > it's not, as each track has a download button in the ICloud status column of > the table. The weird thing though is, at first, that download button on each > track was available. Now, all a sudden, it's becomed dimmed on all 20 tracks > on the disc. Further, under the album details group, the download button for > the whole album is also dimmed, whereas at first, it wasn't. Even still > though, the tracks won't play. I got that one track to play maybe one time, > but after that track finnhished playing, it wouldn't play again, nor would > any others. I looked to see where my music library was being stored, in case > it had changed, but it's not. It's in the standard default:... > ~/Music/ITunes. In there under ITunes Media/Music, I don't see but one > thing, which is a disc I ripped prior to upgrading to El Capitan, and > actually, even pryor to having Apple Music or ITunes Match. That disc might > be in ICloud, but I just know this much. It's definitely locally on my > macbook, as that's where I initially imported it from its physical CD. > > I should add that the Renee Carter disc which I initially mentioned I was > having issues with was not imported from files. I have the physical CD media. > > The Renee Carter disc is the only disc in my library be it local, or in > ICloud where the tracks are not seeming to play. They play fine on my > production machine where I actually ripped the disc, but then, over there, I > have the physical ripped files locally on my drive, so that's probably why. > All my other stuff plays on the macbook just fine, regardless the source > where I got the material, be it a CD, be it purchased from ITunes directly, > etc. > > The other media aside the Renee Carter that does! play still has the issue > where the track list of the albums keep refreshing. I know this as every few > seconds, Voiceover pops me out of the track list table, and says album grid. > When I look, sure enough. I'm no longer focussed in the album details, let > alone on the track list table itself. I looked, and nothing is in the LCD > area saying things are downloading, and to the right of the search field, > there is no activity popup. I've quit ITunes, and relaunched it. No good. > I've signed out and back in to my Apple ID. no good. I've disabled and > re-enabled ITunes Match. No good. I've disabled and re-enabled showing > Apple Music. NO good. I have disabled and re-enabled showing of ICloud > Music. NO good. > > Short of literally ripping the disc on to that system, which I certainly can > do, don't get me wrong, I don't know how else to get around this. > > Anyway, these are the main things so far I've seen. I should add that it's > not just my white macbook having this issue. It's not a ram issue either, as > far as constantly getting busy messages. I know that system has only 2 gigs > of ram in it, but I also tried with my macbook pro to run El Capitan. That > thing's got 16 gigs of ram in it, so there is no freaking way! that I have > inadiquit ram. I also should conclude by saying that yes. When I installed > El Capitan, I didn't install over the top of Yosemite. I did a clean fresh > install, literally totally wiping the partition, formatting, and starting > fresh. So that's not the problem either. > > I'd be curious if any of you all have seen any of this stuff since updating. > > Fortunately, I have a Superduper backup of Yosemite, so rolling these > machines back will be very very seemless. It's just really irritating. > > Chris. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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