Hi! Well if there was a good braille support on the mac then we will have what we have in many other screenReaders for Windows and Linux. On the mac i can not navigate indipendently from the speech. So a deaf-blind has a hard thing to resolve. Actually since i began to use my mac i have been more dependent by speech than braille. Its a fact and its sad. Ok, i could leave the Mac OS and go back to Windows or use Linux ofCourse. But then again there are Issues with both platforms. Linux is not the easiest to install programs on and you have to know what you’re doing. This was fun in the younger days of my life but now i want things to just work when i start. Fiddling around with libraries and components that gives errors or at best installes with small errors can be fun but not for my main system. I have a linux here but thats just a play around system. /A > On 28 Jun 2016, at 00:02, Larry Thacker Jr. <[email protected]> > wrote: > > The problem, as far as I know, isn’t with support for braille displays. From > what I have heard that is indeed good. I don’t have one. The issue is that > there is no full-featured brail publishing program such as Duxbury for the > Mac. For even casual brail translation, if you want other people to see it, > there does not appear to be a good option. I could not get Louis to work and > from what I am reading it would not really be sufficient for any kind of > serious braille translation/transcription work. I would love to know about > it if I’m wrong. > >> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Scott and all, >> >> >> if you don't mind my asking, how is Braille the weak point of OSX? I'll have >> to vehemently disagree with you hereon, and here's why. >> >> >> I have an older Focus 40 USB Braille display, and I took it down to North >> Carolina when I visited Chris Gilland a few years ago. He was thinking about >> acquiring a Macintosh computer himself, so he wanted to see how Braille >> works on OSX with Voiceover. >> >> >> I had been in Windows since Christmas of 1997, when I received a computer >> from my family. It was running Jaws 3.0, and I was using a hardware >> Doubletalk PC. Yeah, that was back in em air days, Sunny? LOL! >> >> >> I had become accustomed to plugging in the display, not getting much screen >> reader feedback save for the fact that Windows sees the display. if it's the >> first time, then of course Windows tries to pull the drivers et alia. Then, >> I'd have to locate the Braille settings to the screen reader and tell it to >> use the display. Then and only then, I'm live. Not with OSX that is, says >> Yoda. >> >> >> We plugged that mother into Chris's macBook. It had never seen this display >> a day in its freaking life. I heard the little da-boong sound that Voiceover >> makes when a Braille display is plugged in, and I was in! it was trippy. >> Literally instantaneously, we were using Braille on OSX. I was floored! Then >> when I heard that OSX Lion would bring the genie out of the bottle in terms >> of languages, I was raring to go, and so was my Mid 2010 white stock >> polycarbon MacBook! NVDA is amazing with Braille. Jaws has a ways yet to go, >> and I don't know about Satogo or Window-Eyes. OSX takes the cake hands down >> in terms of Braille support. >> >> >> Ben >> >> >> On 6/27/2016 12:27, Scott Granados wrote: >>> Just to add to your comments, Braille is by far the weak point in my mind. >>> Braille on OSX is bad or at least with my Focus 40. That’s a definite >>> weakness you point out that I can attest to from personal experience. >>> >>> >>> On 6/27/16, 2:50 PM, "Larry Thacker Jr." <[email protected] >>> on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> It was Windows 10 that did it for me. I got tired of the inconsistency and >>> the issues with accessibility. I’ve been reading and listening to podcasts >>> about the Mac for years, so in March I bought my first Mac. It’s a Mini, >>> with processor and RAM upgraded sufficiently that I feel comfortable >>> running Windows from within if I find it necessary. I may in fact find it >>> necessary for one primary reason. There really isn’t a good Braille >>> production program for Mac, and I need one. Over all, I have been much >>> happier with the Mac. It took a bit of adjustment and I still get tripped >>> up occasionally by the differences. I don’t know if I’ll ever be totally >>> comfortable with the way editing works, especially since I have to use >>> Windows at work so I can never truly escape. If I had to answer the >>> question in a word, it would be stability. My Mac doesn’t crash, doesn’t >>> suddenly slow to a crawl for no reason, is totally booted and with >>> everything I was working on last I used it before the windows machine has >>> even presented a login screen, and integrates marvelously with my iPhone. >>> Every time I boot the Windows machine, which is slowly becoming more and >>> more unusable, I wish I could toss it out the window.! I am hoping that >>> with Mac usage on the rise, we won’t be left out in the cold with braille >>> publication forever. That will be the day I find an interesting and >>> satisfying way to dispose of the big black box on the floor of my office. >>> >>> Not that the Mac is perfect. I’m replying to this reply because I tried to >>> delete some of the messages in this thread and leave others. I went up too >>> far and got the conversation group. Everything went away and undo didn’t. >>> I can’t even find the messages in the trash. >>> >>>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the >>>> Windows world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen reader is >>>> built in to the operating system. I think you said you were using a mac >>>> mini, you can use the track pad if you have one, I use the numpad >>>> commander on my mac mini, it makes navigating easier. You can change a >>>> voiceover setting so you don't have to interact with most things if it's >>>> too confusing for you. You can reinstall your operating system, even with >>>> a new hard drive without requiring sighted help. I think the mac provides >>>> the best experience when browsing the internet. This is not an >>>> accessibility feature, but the mac operating system is much cleaner than >>>> windows. The applications are self contained, you don't have a central >>>> registry controlling everything, or shared files that need to be installed >>>> all over the place. Finally, Apple has maintained the same interface over >>>> several versions of the operating system, they don't feel a need to change >>>> it with each version the way Microsoft changes Windows. If it ain't broke, >>>> don't fix it. >>>> Original message: >>>>> Please forgive the long message to follow. Just delete it if you don't >>>>> want to read it. >>>>> I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend. I have >>>>> the two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With El Capitan >>>>> And Voice Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The Macintosh With Voice >>>>> Over, by Tim Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not to know what I am doing >>>>> for a while, at the moment, that is an understatement. I have it set up, >>>>> thanks to Mr. Sniffen's book, Ms. Ingber seems to assume one will have >>>>> sighted help to do that. I have been with windows since 2000, and Jaws >>>>> 3.5. I still have Jaws, having bought, last December, the SMA through >>>>> version 19. I have to figure out, by July 5, whether I want to take the >>>>> Mac back to the Apple store to get my money back. So far, it seems like a >>>>> bunch of incredible tedium to get things done, as compared to Windows. >>>>> The track pad helps, it makes it a little more like my iPhone 6, that I >>>>> love. Getting things done on the iPhone never seemed to have nearly the >>>>> tedium as does the Mac,even when my iPhone 5 was new to me. For example, >>>>> having to interact with things, rather than just hitting enter when I >>>>> want to do something, or press two or three keys at the same time to get >>>>> VoiceOver to do something, I have no doubt that I can learn it, but My >>>>> nagging question during my 14 days is going to be: why? What is so much >>>>> better about this than Windows? Is the Mac really better, or just >>>>> different? Is, for example, iTunes really easier to use? What little I >>>>> have investigated, I am not yet convinced that it is. Already having >>>>> Jaws, I don't have the issue of having to buy a windows screen reader, >>>>> and NVDA is making it unnecessary even for a new Windows user to do so. I >>>>> paid over 50 percent more for this Mac Mini than I could have bought a >>>>> Windows 10 computer. I wish I had 30 days, rather than 14, to figure this >>>>> out. The time is ticking. 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