Hi, It's interesting to me how many proclaim that change to an interface or interaction is counterproductive or backwards intuitive. Each time Apple, Microsoft ()sorry for swearing on list), or Google change something that we are all used to doing, a loud and, often, obnoxious noise is heard. I recall a huge noise made when Apple changed the look of iTunes, both by VO users on my various lists and by sighted users, including my own family. I also recall a huge noise that was made when the look and feel of Word changed. Most of us have got used to these changes, embraced pretty well all of them and, in lots of cases, have come to prefer these new ways of interaction. Now, as a change has been made once again, here comes the noise.
As a matter of interest, the designers at these corporations don't pull these ideas out of their behind. They are usually derived from users, and the public wanting their devices to accomplish things and/or work towards a new development or experience. Some are stepping stones, others are just new ways of dealing with things that we've become accustomed to. I get it, often these changes don't initially appear to be helpful, useful or even desirable, and they usually take time to become part of our experience, yet they do. I fully expect that in a years time, and probably in two years time, when the next batch of iOS, or MacOS, or whatever hybrid of them is in the wind is released, we'll hear this same old tune again. Music to my ears, NOT. I'll be quiet on this thread now. Fell off my soap box. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Sep 15, 2016, at 19:23, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: It’s also counter productive to stagnate. > On Sep 15, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com > <mailto:che...@dogsc4me.com>> wrote: > > It seems counterproductive to force an up-to-date, streamlined functionality, > such as iOS to emulate an older, difficult, clumsy system, namely OS. > If I'm not mistaken, there are more users of the iOS than the OS. The iOS > represents a gateway experience that the public has readily adopted. Among > the public are large numbers of blind and disabled users. > If this new mail modality represents Apple's future for iOS, I am going to be > forced into seeking another phone and notebook alternative. This mail issue > mushroomed, full-blown, from an update promised to improve, to make simpler, > to add features. > My experience has unfortunately invited an opposite opinion. No release > notes guided usage; it was just changed, just done and just not helpful or > easily usable. > It feels as though there is a tug-of-war between some who learned on that > clumsy, multi-step, multi-keyboard usage system and those using the iOs. It > is my opinion that the older, less easy OS needs to give place to the more > modern, more intuitive, more usable iOs and not the other way round. > Each update adds extra complications to iOS in the name of improvements. > There are a cadre of blind and sighted who, like the old friends at rehab, > insist on speaking for us, the user/consumer blind, for our own good. > I recommend that all of us speak up in our own best interest or risk losing > something that could and did change the world for us. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:27, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com > <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Correct, the way messages are handled has changed. Visually, it now looks >> much more like mail on the mac. It also works more like macmail. >> >> When in the main message list, individual messages are still handled the >> same as in iOS 9. Threads are different. If one double-taps on a thread to >> activate it, one goes into a browse thread view. In this view, single-finger >> vertical flick moves up and down through the messages. Single-finger >> horrizontal flicks read through the specific message. Double-tap on the >> delete button at the bottom of the screen deletes all messages in the >> thread. Three-finger horrizontal flick moves between threads, threads and >> individual messages which do not belong to threads, and individual messages. >> In other words, the same as single-finger horrizontal flick in the message >> list screen. >> >> If one wishes to delete only some messages from a thread, the thread must be >> expanded. Whilst in the main message screen, single-finger vertical flick to >> expand thread and double-tap. Now, the thread is unpacked and all the >> messages in the thread are treated like non-thread messages. Now that I have >> become used to this new system, I really like it. It took me a few hours of >> frustration to become used to this new system. >> >> I am hoping that, as Apple continues merging the behaviours of apps for iOS >> and Mac, that we will see a full Mac-based iPad. I love touch-screen and >> want my touch-screen Mac, or the equivalent. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 16/09/2016, at 10:09, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com >> <mailto:philh...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> message threading seems to have changed substantially in IOS10. I can no >>> longer 3 finger flick from message to message in a thread, instead I have >>> to use the “pre and next” message buttons. Also, the list of messages in a >>> thread no longer appears, but instead I am thrown into the first message in >>> the thread and then have to navigate between messages using the next and >>> pre message buttons. 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