I'm the one who originally complained about the changes in mail app but now 
that I've had a chance to work with it, and have found the messages router 
feature as well as the ability to unpack the thread, I really like the what 
they've done with it.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 16, 2016, at 3:34 PM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Can I speak up here as well?
> 
> I beta tested iOS 10 right from the very beginning, developer beta 1. How it 
> was, Apple Developer Relations contacted me over a bug report I sent two 
> years ago. Yes, two years ago. It was in relation to Braille Screen Input and 
> contracted Braille. I reported then that there was absolutely no typing 
> feedback when switching to contracted Braille input. After assuring me that 
> they were looking for ideas, they finally told me that character feedback was 
> turned off in all cases, and it was released like that. I was disappointed, 
> but thought “hey, at least I tried”. So you can imagine the shock I felt when 
> receiving that. So thought “hey, let’s check this out and see what I think?” 
> And wow, it was amazing to see they finally added typing feedback to 
> contracted Braille input. Since I was generally happy with the 
> implementation, I simply replied to the report and resolving the bug report. 
> Future betas of iOS 10 I saw small, but significant, changes, which were for 
> the better. I’m not going to say the changes here, since even the public beta 
> testers never saw them. They got changed probably in developer beta 2 at 
> least.
> 
> So please, give us credit where it’s due of course, and don’t blame it all on 
> Apple. Thank you.
> 
> 
>> On 16 Sep 2016, at 03:15, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I may have only tested the public betas, but, I’m totally going to stand for 
>> Chris and the other Devs here who were always one step ahead of me.  IF not 
>> for their pioneering work on all this. what we have now might:  and indeed 
>> would be, much much more seriously flawed.  I think we who tested the public 
>> betas have something to say to this also, for you see, I was one of them and 
>> continue to be.  Now, I want to say something else that I feel is in 
>> connection with all this.  Some say we who test the public betas can in fact 
>> discuss what we find in public before the final release.  You could not be 
>> more in error!!!  Obviously, you don’t know what you are  talking about.  
>> Have you bothered to read the terms of agreement that all beta testers, (dev 
>> and public alike) must agree to?  No?  Well, permit me to summarize them for 
>> you.  We cannot say a thing about what we are finding.  We’re strictly 
>> forbidden to show you non testers in any way what it is we are working on.  
>> If you think you have so much to say, you either pay the developer fee or 
>> test the public beta.  Until then, shut up!!!!!  I’m coming out here in such 
>> strong defense of dev and public beta testers because I have gone through 
>> just about an entire summer of putting up with idiotic fools whoo have NO 
>> respect for non disclosure agreements and the seriousness with which such 
>> things MUST be taken.  True, not everyone on this list is like that:  in 
>> fact, I suspect that most on this particular list understand my point of 
>> view on this matter.  But on VORail, (yes I am being specific about the 
>> place where most of this stupidity lives) it seemed to reign supreme.  I’m 
>> sure I speak for Chris and the other devs and for the other public beta 
>> testers here when I say that when we say we cannot discuss something, you’d 
>> damn well better take us seriously because we damn well take Apple’s non 
>> disclosure agreements very very seriously.  If stupid sighted people on 
>> podcasts can’t be bother to take such things seriously and go  blabbing 
>> about what they find, that’s their problem.  Also, frankly, it’s not much 
>> help to us if Apple doesn’t enforce their own non disclosure agreements.  
>> Well, let the rest blab if they want to:  I, for my part, will NOT.  
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!!!!!
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Excuse me, Cheree.  that was profoundly disrespectful, not to mention 
>>> downright insulting to us devs, me being one of them.  Let me tell you 
>>> something.  We devs did! try getting on Apple about stuff like this.  I did 
>>> so in iOS 9, and I even more so did in this iOS 10 update beta cycle.  
>>> Trust me.  I was on the 10 beta from June 30th, when it was announced at 
>>> WWDC until now.  I've ever since had at least one of my devices on 10.
>>> 
>>> I've reported bug after bug after bug to them.  I've worked countless hours 
>>> to the sweat of my brow! trying to explain these things to them, but no 
>>> sollution was ever made.  So don't be putting the blame on us devs, OK?  
>>> We've done our damdest! to make this new version of OSX, TVOS, Watch OS, 
>>> and iOS as  wonderful as possible.  The thing is, once we make the bug 
>>> reports through the bugreporter bug tracker, we really don't then have much 
>>> of a say past that point.  If Apple fixes it, great, if not, well, we've 
>>> done our parts by reporting it.
>>> 
>>> Now, if us devs just saw the bug and ignored it, then therefore it was 
>>> released buggy, then, I'd totally give this message to you, but, hunttauhh. 
>>>  I'm not lettin' you have this.  I'm sorry.  Us devs deserve more credit, 
>>> and respect!  We really, really really did try!
>>> 
>>> Can another person on this list who's a dev and paid the 99 for the iOS 10 
>>> cycle please speak up and advocate for us all here as well?  This is just 
>>> wrong!
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: Cheree Heppe
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: IOS10 Mail app changes
>>>> 
>>>> You developers and designers, changers and alter era can flick yourselves 
>>>> into you-know-where regarding this change to mail on iOS.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:27, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Correct, the way messages are handled has changed. Visually, it now looks 
>>>>> much more like mail on the mac. It also works more like macmail.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When in the main message list, individual messages are still handled the 
>>>>> same as in iOS 9. Threads are different. If one double-taps on a thread 
>>>>> to activate it, one goes into a browse thread view. In this view, 
>>>>> single-finger vertical flick moves up and down through the messages. 
>>>>> Single-finger horrizontal flicks read through the specific message. 
>>>>> Double-tap on the delete button at the bottom of the screen deletes all 
>>>>> messages in the thread. Three-finger horrizontal flick moves between 
>>>>> threads, threads and individual messages which do not belong to threads, 
>>>>> and individual messages. In other words, the same as single-finger 
>>>>> horrizontal flick in the message list screen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If one wishes to delete only some messages from a thread, the thread must 
>>>>> be expanded. Whilst in the main message screen, single-finger vertical 
>>>>> flick to expand thread and double-tap. Now, the thread is unpacked and 
>>>>> all the messages in the thread are treated like non-thread messages. Now 
>>>>> that I have become used to this new system, I really like it. It took me 
>>>>> a few hours of frustration to become used to this new system.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am hoping that, as Apple continues merging the behaviours of apps for 
>>>>> iOS and Mac, that we will see a full Mac-based iPad. I love touch-screen 
>>>>> and want my touch-screen Mac, or the equivalent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 16/09/2016, at 10:09, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> message threading seems to have changed substantially in IOS10. I can no 
>>>>>> longer 3 finger flick from message to message in a thread, instead I 
>>>>>> have to use the “pre and next” message buttons. Also, the list of 
>>>>>> messages in a thread no longer appears, but instead I am thrown into the 
>>>>>> first message in the thread and then have to navigate between messages 
>>>>>> using the next and pre message buttons. What a screw up this is! is 3 
>>>>>> finger flicking from message to message gone in ios10?
>>>>>> Also how about the thread message list? is that gone too? or are there 
>>>>>> some settings that need tweaking?
>>>>>> 
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