Hi Mark, 

The thing that puzzles me is the different behaviors between opening the 
thread, where the message order is from oldest to newest, and where you expand 
the thread, and the messages appear newest to oldest.  Just curious about why 
that works that way. 

Bob 


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> On Sep 17, 2016, at 12:27 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Bob,
> 
> Thank you for the confirmation and, most of all, for the workaround.  It has 
> really saved the day, for me.
> 
> I will submit a bug report via Apple's Bug Reporter portal, complete with 
> your workaround.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hill
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Please Confirm a VoiceOver Bug in Native iOS 10 Mail App 
> Regarding Threaded View
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Yes, I can confirm this bug.
> I had posted to the v-phone list with this issue earlier this week.
> 
> A work-around I found is to double tap on the thread to open it, not go to 
> the actions and expand the thread.
> When I double tap to open the thread, then when I flick down with one finger, 
> the oldest message in the thread is at the top as I would expect.
> Then what I do is go through the actions, find the message item, then I can 
> flick down through the messages, and read them by double tapping them,.
> 
> Bob Hill
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:36 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> There have been so many posts sent lately that I have lost track so 
>> please indulge me in asking for confirmation of a very annoying bug in 
>> the native iOS 10 Mail app, regarding the threaded view.
>> 
>> Here are my major settings for Mail.  
>> 
>> Preview, None.
>> Organize by Thread, On.
>> Most Recent Message on Top, Off.
>> Complete Thread, Off.
>> 
>> Here are the steps I take to read threads:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Open the Mail app.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Place focus on a collapsed thread.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Select Expand Thread via the VoiceOver Rotor.  At this point, the 
>> thread expands downward.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Now, I single-finger swipe to the right in order to move to the first 
>> message listed below the subject line of the thread and, as is 
>> expected, the text of the message is read, out by VoiceOver.
>> 
>> The problem is that, regardless of the status of the, "Most Recent 
>> Message on Top", toggle, the first message just below the thread's 
>> subject line is always the most recent post to the thread.  As a 
>> consequence, if I want to read the original post to a thread, I have 
>> to swipe all the way down to the bottom of the list area and reverse swipe 
>> back up.
>> 
>> Does this make sense and are any of you encountering this issue?  
>> 
>> Again, thank you for your indulgence on this.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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