I think they both work the same way. The difference is that focus lands on the oldest message when you open a thread, so you have to swipe up, whereas it lands on the newest when you expand, so you have to swipe right to go down. That is, the order seems the same, but your position and resulting direction of travel are reversed between the two modes. > On Sep 17, 2016, at 13:48, Robert Hill <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > The thing that puzzles me is the different behaviors between opening the > thread, where the message order is from oldest to newest, and where you > expand the thread, and the messages appear newest to oldest. Just curious > about why that works that way. > > Bob > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 17, 2016, at 12:27 PM, M. Taylor <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Hello Bob, >> >> Thank you for the confirmation and, most of all, for the workaround. It has >> really saved the day, for me. >> >> I will submit a bug report via Apple's Bug Reporter portal, complete with >> your workaround. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Robert Hill >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:07 AM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Please Confirm a VoiceOver Bug in Native iOS 10 Mail App >> Regarding Threaded View >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> Yes, I can confirm this bug. >> I had posted to the v-phone list with this issue earlier this week. >> >> A work-around I found is to double tap on the thread to open it, not go to >> the actions and expand the thread. >> When I double tap to open the thread, then when I flick down with one >> finger, the oldest message in the thread is at the top as I would expect. >> Then what I do is go through the actions, find the message item, then I can >> flick down through the messages, and read them by double tapping them,. >> >> Bob Hill >> >>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:36 AM, M. Taylor <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> There have been so many posts sent lately that I have lost track so >>> please indulge me in asking for confirmation of a very annoying bug in >>> the native iOS 10 Mail app, regarding the threaded view. >>> >>> Here are my major settings for Mail. >>> >>> Preview, None. >>> Organize by Thread, On. >>> Most Recent Message on Top, Off. >>> Complete Thread, Off. >>> >>> Here are the steps I take to read threads: >>> >>> 1. >>> Open the Mail app. >>> >>> 2. >>> Place focus on a collapsed thread. >>> >>> 3. >>> Select Expand Thread via the VoiceOver Rotor. At this point, the >>> thread expands downward. >>> >>> 4. >>> Now, I single-finger swipe to the right in order to move to the first >>> message listed below the subject line of the thread and, as is >>> expected, the text of the message is read, out by VoiceOver. >>> >>> The problem is that, regardless of the status of the, "Most Recent >>> Message on Top", toggle, the first message just below the thread's >>> subject line is always the most recent post to the thread. As a >>> consequence, if I want to read the original post to a thread, I have >>> to swipe all the way down to the bottom of the list area and reverse swipe >>> back up. >>> >>> Does this make sense and are any of you encountering this issue? >>> >>> Again, thank you for your indulgence on this. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>> <https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn - 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