Hi David!
Thanks for that very good explanation.
Now i want to give the braille input another chance.
I hope you’re are willing to help if i need some.
I don’t use contracted braille as we don’t have that in Swedish anymore.
/A
> On 17 Sep 2016, at 23:59, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I use braille screen input all the time, for just about everything.
> 
> I started teaching myself when it first came out. Back then, I worked with it 
> every day, several times per day, and could not get it reliably or 
> consistently for about a week. In other words, as with everything else which 
> is new, be patient with yourself, accept you are going to get it wrong, and 
> keep trying.
> 
> Dot calibration is your friend. Dot calibration moves the centre of each dot 
> under the middle of the particular finqer. On the iPhone, it requires between 
> about a quarter second and half of a second between the right hand and the 
> left hand. If you try dot calibration and iOS gives you 4 5 6 l, you are 
> pausing too long between the two hands. If, on the other hand, it gives any 
> combination of symbols with 4 or 5 dots in it, you are tapping too quick 
> between your left and right hands.
> 
> Why should I do dot calibration? It seems unfair. Well, you are blind. This 
> means, it is virtually impossible for you to put your fingers in the same 
> spots on the iDevice. As for how unfair it is, get over yourself. I perform 
> dot calibration every time I start writing. It takes about half a second, and 
> my writing is excellent, every time. Note: on the iPad, dot calibration is 
> different. for that device, tap with all 6 or 8 fingers (depending on which 
> braille input you are using. The first tap is followed by a second tap which 
> is within 1/4 to 1/2 second.
> 
> Brailling feels strange on the iPhone. It is different because one is not 
> touching the keys all the time. So, one's fingers tend to drift, which 
> eventually causes one to press incorrect dots with one or more fingers. At 
> this point, dot calibration is your friend again. It will realign the dots to 
> your fingers. Again, you are blind, so cannot realign your fingers to the 
> visible dots on the screen, so get over yourself.
> 
> I prefer away mode. I find that it is easier to keep my fingers in the same 
> positions on the screen when I am holding the iPhone with my thumbs on one 
> edge and my pinkys on the other edge. With the iPad, either mode works for 
> me. That said, When using the iPad in table-top mode, I touch the bottom edge 
> of the iPad with both thumbs to keep my fingers in the same locations on the 
> screen.
> 
> Listen to what VO is saying about what is being typed. This will help you to 
> understand what you are doing wrong. Braille Screen Input is as stable as 
> performing VO gestures, so you are the one making the errors. again, get over 
> yourself and build your skills. It is an excellent method of data entry which 
> does not require any other equipment, so can be used on the fly / at a 
> second's notice. And, one does not need to be concerned with charging or 
> pairing keyboards; not to mention the need to find an available surface to 
> write on.
> 
> Now, whilst learning, if you continue making the same errors, write down what 
> VO keeps saying you are intering, and I will attempt to figure out what you 
> are doing wrong. Please work in 6 dot braille during this process. Contracted 
> braille adds another layer of complexity as I would need to try to figure out 
> which contractions you are using to figure out what you are doing with your 
> fingers. Also, please state whether using table-top or away mode, and your 
> device.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 18/09/2016, at 09:12, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> This sounds very much like the problem I was first having when I tried it 
>> out this morning. However when I went back in and tried it a second time the 
>> problem seem to have corrected it self. I haven't spent a lot of time with 
>> it today but I have tried subsequently several times to use braille input 
>> and it worked every time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> To anyone who can't get BSI to work: are you all having the same problem, 
>>> where dots appear completely out of order or are missing altogether? I saw 
>>> that briefly during one of the iOS8 incremental update betas, but never 
>>> since. I don't recall what worked, save several calibrations in a row, done 
>>> very fast. Failing that, has anyone tried a complete settings reset? It's a 
>>> bit drastic, I know, but it won't touch any of your data or apps and will 
>>> mean only that you have to take ten minutes and set up all your settings 
>>> again. This includes time, mail fetch, notifications, and so on. 
>>> Critically, it also includes all accessibility. Possibly this will make 
>>> things work?
>>> 
>>> Finally, if you have a friend who *has* gotten this to work, have you 
>>> borrowed their device? This way, you can tell for sure if it's your own iOS 
>>> device doing something wrong, or yourself not quite understanding something 
>>> fully.
>>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 15:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I heard that podcast, and you did an excellent job with it.  I still 
>>>> however to this very day cannot get it to work regardless how closely I 
>>>> follow the tips you provided, and honestly, about 4 of my other friends 
>>>> can't seem to get it either.
>>>> ---
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>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: Alex Hall <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:37 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't have a link handy, but I did one a year or two ago that will 
>>>>> still be relevant. You can find it on Applevis; I'd search for "mehgcap 
>>>>> braille screen input" which should find you my podcast and guide. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 08:48, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
>>>>> <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please could someone do a podcast on how to use Braille output on their 
>>>>>> I phone please?  I don’t know how to use it but heard all of Jonathan’s 
>>>>>> podcast today when he was unboxing his I phone 7 plus and he was so fast 
>>>>>> on Braille output.  I’d like to use it but the dots are not in the same 
>>>>>> place as I don’t know how to calibrate the dots and can you chord i.e. 
>>>>>> do all the six finger combinations as you do on a perkins?  Does Android 
>>>>>> have this method?  Just curious.  Never used Android as when I heard it 
>>>>>> a long time ago, didn’t like the voices.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> 
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