I did not know about the five separate events limitation. Makes sense. thanks for the explanation. Cheers, Donna > On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:16 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On the iPhone, five separate events can be detected at one time. Therefore, > the dots 1 2 3 4 5 6 (for sign) when in contracted braille does not work. > 8-dot computer braille entry works on the iPad. Perhaps the larger display > allows for more points at the same time. As I normally write in uncontracted > mode to keep my spelling up and be more like my sighted colleagues, I do not > usually run into the five dot limitation on my iPhone. I will test it on the > iPad ,n a few weeks. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > > On 19/09/2016, at 08:27, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com > <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> Thanks for the feedback. It was helpful to hear how well this is working >> for you. >> >> I've done several practice sessions since yesterday, and when in Screen-Away >> mode, my results have improved dramatically. They're still pretty abysmal >> when in Tabletop mode, but I can probably live with just using screen away >> mode, so that isn't a huge deal. >> >> I do have one problem that I haven't been able to correct. I cannot produce >> dots 1-2-3-4-5-6, (for). What happens most often is that I get the letter >> Y. I've tried calibrating, but that doesn't seem to help. Wondering if you >> have an iPhone 7, whether you can reproduce that problem? Again, it's not a >> deal-breaker, I can type out those letters, it'd just be nice if I didn't >> have to. >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:59 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I use braille screen input all the time, for just about everything. >>> >>> I started teaching myself when it first came out. Back then, I worked with >>> it every day, several times per day, and could not get it reliably or >>> consistently for about a week. In other words, as with everything else >>> which is new, be patient with yourself, accept you are going to get it >>> wrong, and keep trying. >>> >>> Dot calibration is your friend. Dot calibration moves the centre of each >>> dot under the middle of the particular finqer. On the iPhone, it requires >>> between about a quarter second and half of a second between the right hand >>> and the left hand. If you try dot calibration and iOS gives you 4 5 6 l, >>> you are pausing too long between the two hands. If, on the other hand, it >>> gives any combination of symbols with 4 or 5 dots in it, you are tapping >>> too quick between your left and right hands. >>> >>> Why should I do dot calibration? It seems unfair. Well, you are blind. This >>> means, it is virtually impossible for you to put your fingers in the same >>> spots on the iDevice. As for how unfair it is, get over yourself. I perform >>> dot calibration every time I start writing. It takes about half a second, >>> and my writing is excellent, every time. Note: on the iPad, dot calibration >>> is different. for that device, tap with all 6 or 8 fingers (depending on >>> which braille input you are using. The first tap is followed by a second >>> tap which is within 1/4 to 1/2 second. >>> >>> Brailling feels strange on the iPhone. It is different because one is not >>> touching the keys all the time. So, one's fingers tend to drift, which >>> eventually causes one to press incorrect dots with one or more fingers. At >>> this point, dot calibration is your friend again. It will realign the dots >>> to your fingers. Again, you are blind, so cannot realign your fingers to >>> the visible dots on the screen, so get over yourself. >>> >>> I prefer away mode. I find that it is easier to keep my fingers in the same >>> positions on the screen when I am holding the iPhone with my thumbs on one >>> edge and my pinkys on the other edge. With the iPad, either mode works for >>> me. That said, When using the iPad in table-top mode, I touch the bottom >>> edge of the iPad with both thumbs to keep my fingers in the same locations >>> on the screen. >>> >>> Listen to what VO is saying about what is being typed. This will help you >>> to understand what you are doing wrong. Braille Screen Input is as stable >>> as performing VO gestures, so you are the one making the errors. again, get >>> over yourself and build your skills. It is an excellent method of data >>> entry which does not require any other equipment, so can be used on the fly >>> / at a second's notice. And, one does not need to be concerned with >>> charging or pairing keyboards; not to mention the need to find an available >>> surface to write on. >>> >>> Now, whilst learning, if you continue making the same errors, write down >>> what VO keeps saying you are intering, and I will attempt to figure out >>> what you are doing wrong. Please work in 6 dot braille during this process. >>> Contracted braille adds another layer of complexity as I would need to try >>> to figure out which contractions you are using to figure out what you are >>> doing with your fingers. Also, please state whether using table-top or away >>> mode, and your device. >>> >>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> >>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 18/09/2016, at 09:12, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Alex, >>>> >>>> This sounds very much like the problem I was first having when I tried it >>>> out this morning. However when I went back in and tried it a second time >>>> the problem seem to have corrected it self. I haven't spent a lot of time >>>> with it today but I have tried subsequently several times to use braille >>>> input and it worked every time. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com >>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> To anyone who can't get BSI to work: are you all having the same problem, >>>>> where dots appear completely out of order or are missing altogether? I >>>>> saw that briefly during one of the iOS8 incremental update betas, but >>>>> never since. I don't recall what worked, save several calibrations in a >>>>> row, done very fast. Failing that, has anyone tried a complete settings >>>>> reset? It's a bit drastic, I know, but it won't touch any of your data or >>>>> apps and will mean only that you have to take ten minutes and set up all >>>>> your settings again. This includes time, mail fetch, notifications, and >>>>> so on. Critically, it also includes all accessibility. Possibly this will >>>>> make things work? >>>>> >>>>> Finally, if you have a friend who *has* gotten this to work, have you >>>>> borrowed their device? This way, you can tell for sure if it's your own >>>>> iOS device doing something wrong, or yourself not quite understanding >>>>> something fully. >>>>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 15:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I heard that podcast, and you did an excellent job with it. I still >>>>>> however to this very day cannot get it to work regardless how closely I >>>>>> follow the tips you provided, and honestly, about 4 of my other friends >>>>>> can't seem to get it either. >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Christopher Gilland >>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>>>>> Training Instructor. >>>>>> >>>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com> >>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Alex Hall <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:37 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Braille input with hands on an I phone podcast? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't have a link handy, but I did one a year or two ago that will >>>>>>> still be relevant. You can find it on Applevis; I'd search for "mehgcap >>>>>>> braille screen input" which should find you my podcast and guide. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 08:48, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com >>>>>>> <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please could someone do a podcast on how to use Braille output on >>>>>>>> their I phone please? I don’t know how to use it but heard all of >>>>>>>> Jonathan’s podcast today when he was unboxing his I phone 7 plus and >>>>>>>> he was so fast on Braille output. I’d like to use it but the dots are >>>>>>>> not in the same place as I don’t know how to calibrate the dots and >>>>>>>> can you chord i.e. do all the six finger combinations as you do on a >>>>>>>> perkins? Does Android have this method? Just curious. 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