Hi, It's OK to express concern, it's OK to wonder, but people need to realize that these decisions are not made without accessibility in mind. If a change is made such as the removal of the F-keys, then there will just be different keystrokes to accomplish task that originally required those F-keys. No need to jump on a band-wagon saying that we, as a blind community, are being left out in the cold. That's simply unfair and unproductive. Those of us who have older Mac models where the Function bar is not present should see no change in behavior, as the MacOS will just know that your specific Mac isn't capable of Function Bar actions.. It's no different than what happens now when you connect a non-Apple keyboard, the MacOS figures it out and your media keys etc. don't function like they do on an Apple keyboard.
Just as a prediction, because I'd rather look forward positively, with the introduction of a finger-print sensor on the power button, might it be possible that the power button become similar to the Home button on an iOS device. That is, VO could be invoked by a triple-tap on the power button? If Apple is moving towards less differentiation between the iOS and MacOS experience, it's possible.There are usually all sorts of options to make things work, maybe different than what we're accustomed to, but possibilities none-the-less. Later... Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 28, 2016, at 12:36 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: > > Progress is not without pain. What would be better, stagnation? If Apple > was 100% focused on the blind user share of the market, it might be different? > > History repeats itself, over and over. Look at the headphone jack, how much > grief that caused right up to release day. And as soon as release day came > and went, that noise died with a whimper. So too will the noise about the > TouchBar. > > And next year this cycle will repeat again...and again. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > Without H2O there is no life! > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > >> On 10/28/2016 9:21 AM, - wrote: >> >> Apple will almost certainly be forced to add yet another keystroke for >> doing what now is the direct press of a function key, volume for example. >> >> This is because when you cram multiple levels of function into a touch >> bar there has to be a way to choose among levels. >> >> There are far far too many pretzel keypresses now without adding more. >>> On Fri, 28 Oct 2016, gs wrote: >>> >>> I care about access to the function keys in general and not just what >>> currently happens when one presses Command F5. I use the function keys >>> for adjusting screen brightness and volume, etc. I wonder how all the >>> other items currently available via the function keys will be handled? >>> >>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Brandt Steenkamp >>> <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> There we go, >>> >>> Triple-tapping power sounds like the most consistent and logical way >>> to go. >>> >>> Holding command down and tapping the touch bar also sounds okay, but >>> not like something apple would do. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> >>> Brandt Steenkamp >>> >>> Sent from my Macbook Pro >>> >>> Contact: >>> >>> Phone: >>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 <tel://+27605259181> >>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 <calto://+27781205013> >>> >>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> >>> >>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp> >>>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 11:21 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net >>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> IF Apple is truly going for consistancy, I have a feeling I know how >>>> we will turn on Voice Over with the new touch bar. I don?t know this >>>> for sure: but, I?d be willing to guess that to turn on Voice Over, >>>> you simply touch or press the power button three times quickly if >>>> Voice Over is off. OF course, you might be able to do it with Siri, >>>> or, here?s another guess: press the command key and anywhere on the >>>> touch bar. IF voice Over is off, it will know that you are trying to >>>> turn on Voice Over. My best guess, however, would be to quickly >>>> touch the power button three times. Makes the most sense and keeps >>>> things logical and easy. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:01 AM, christopher hallsworth >>>>> <challswor...@icloud.com <mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-apple-tv-news/what-we-got-apples-october-2016-event#comment-form >>>>>> <http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-apple-tv-news/what-we-got-apples-october-2016-event#comment-form> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event >>>>>> Submitted by mehgcap on 27 October, 2016 - 16:28 and last modified >>>>>> on 27 October, 2016 - 19:18 >>>>>> >>>>>> <editor.png> <http://www.applevis.com/applevis-editorial-team> >>>>>> Hello Again >>>>>> >>>>>> Today, Apple held a press event it called "Hello Again". The >>>>>> company announced a new accessibility website, a new Apple TV >>>>>> feature, and a long-awaited update to its MacBook computers. It may >>>>>> have missed the back-to-school shoppers, but today's announcements >>>>>> arrive just in time for the holiday shopping frenzy. There are some >>>>>> major changes to the MacBook line-up on the way, and while much of >>>>>> what you're about to read is awesome, you may not like all of it. >>>>>> But there's a great deal to like about the latest offerings from >>>>>> Apple, and I yell at articles to quit rambling in their intros and >>>>>> get on with it just as much as you do, so let's get on with it! >>>>>> >>>>>> Accessibility Kick-Off >>>>>> >>>>>> To my surprise, Apple started the presentation with a video >>>>>> highlighting accessibility features of its products. This led to >>>>>> Tim Cook's announcing a "whole new website" focused on Apple's >>>>>> accessibility efforts. As of the time of this writing, we haven't >>>>>> had a chance to fully explore this new website >>>>>> <http://www.apple.com/accessibility>, but it's always great to see >>>>>> the spotlight shown on all the work Apple does to make their >>>>>> devices as usable, to as many people, as they can. It?s also great >>>>>> to see that the AppleVis Community is featured on Apple?s new >>>>>> Accessibility Portal as somewhere people should go to obtain more >>>>>> information and support. Thank you, Apple! >>>>>> >>>>>> Get Entertained on Apple TV >>>>>> >>>>>> No, there's not a new Apple TV coming out, but there is a new way >>>>>> to find something to watch on the box you already have. It's a new >>>>>> app from Apple, called--appropriately enough--TV. Yep, just those >>>>>> two letters. Interestingly, Apple offers this app on not just Apple >>>>>> TV, but your iOS devices as well, letting you browse and play >>>>>> content on any of your devices. But what, exactly, does the app do? >>>>>> >>>>>> TV pulls together any shows or movies you're already watching on >>>>>> your video apps, as well as offering the next or newest episodes in >>>>>> TV series. This isn't just iTunes, either; it can work with >>>>>> ShowTime, CBS, HBO Now, and others, which makes it simple to keep >>>>>> up with any entertainment you're watching. The app also shows you >>>>>> your iTunes purchases or new video apps. It can even play content >>>>>> without you needing to know which app the content is in; tell Siri >>>>>> to play a particular show or game and that's all you need. But >>>>>> don't get too excited, because while the app is free, it won't be >>>>>> here until the end of the year. >>>>>> >>>>>> Prose about the Pro >>>>>> >>>>>> The MacBook Pro was the star of the show today. It got a major >>>>>> makeover--the first since the 2013 model dropped the disk >>>>>> drive--and there's a lot of great stuff on and inside it. Yet, >>>>>> there's also a change you may not like. >>>>>> >>>>>> Inevitable Updates >>>>>> >>>>>> First, the fun part: the updates we all expected, and that Apple >>>>>> almost had to make. The Pro is now slightly lighter and thinner, >>>>>> while the battery life remains at ten hours; no surprise there. >>>>>> It's also adopted the USB-C ports we first saw in the Retina >>>>>> MacBook last year. The new Pro includes four of them, and any of >>>>>> them can be used to charge the machine, which is a great touch if >>>>>> your outlet is opposite the power jack of your Mac. The audio jack, >>>>>> fortunately, hasn't gone anywhere, so there's no need to worry >>>>>> about getting USB sound cards or mics plus a bunch of adaptors. >>>>>> Those four USB-C (also called Thunderbolt 3--same thing) are all >>>>>> the ports you get, though. No standard USB, no Mini Display, no >>>>>> card reader, and, sadly, no more MagSafe. >>>>>> >>>>>> Speaking of audio, the speakers are louder and, Apple claims, sound >>>>>> better than ever. Oh, and the storage is twice as fast as before, >>>>>> while the ram has gotten faster, too. Overall, the new Pros are >>>>>> anywhere from half again to more than twice as fast as the models >>>>>> they replace, depending on the category (gaming, graphics, or >>>>>> storage) you're interested in. Between the faster storage and ram, >>>>>> the better CPUs, and the improved graphics cards, these machines >>>>>> are powerhouses that manage to be smaller than any Pro to date. >>>>>> >>>>>> One unexpected bit of news: the trackpad on the Pro is now twice as >>>>>> large as in previous models, and, of course, uses Taptic feedback >>>>>> to simulate a click. This lets you click it anywhere, not just on >>>>>> the bottom, and provides a much better experience with its larger >>>>>> surface area that can still click when pushed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not at all unexpected is the screen. It is 67% brighter, can show >>>>>> much better color, and draws even less power than the 2015 MacBook >>>>>> Pro screen. Yet it is as thin as that of the Retina MacBook, >>>>>> Apple's smallest computer ever. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, in keeping with the storage trend it started with the >>>>>> iPhone 7, Apple is upping the base storage for all its Macs. 256GB >>>>>> is now the minimum for all MacBook models, which is where the >>>>>> Retina MacBooks have always been. The amount of ram across the line >>>>>> has not changed, to my knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> New Magic >>>>>> >>>>>> Aside from the new ports and altered dimensions, the major new >>>>>> feature on the Pro models is the removal of the entire top line of >>>>>> keys. Escape, F1 through F12, and Eject are all gone, replaced by >>>>>> what amounts to a touch screen. This "Touchbar", as Apple is >>>>>> calling it, is a multi-touch, retina-quality screen that runs in a >>>>>> strip along the top of the Mac's keyboard. The Bar offers >>>>>> context-sensitive controls and suggestions, plus emulates function >>>>>> keys when necessary. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why do this? Apple's reasoning is rather compelling, when you think >>>>>> about it objectively. What is the top row of keys for most users? >>>>>> Keys used mostly for media or brightness control. When you aren't >>>>>> doing those things, those keys are wasted space. Instead of simply >>>>>> taking them out, Apple has decided to update them. Now, they can be >>>>>> your media controls in iTunes like normal, but they can also be the >>>>>> buttons or tools you need at any given moment, in any given >>>>>> application. In Mail, you have favorite mailboxes, message >>>>>> controls, and quick actions all available at the top of your >>>>>> keyboard. In Safari, you have tabs, favorite websites, and more. >>>>>> While typing, you have QuickType suggestions, just like in iOS. >>>>>> Best of all, you can customize the bar to show the controls you >>>>>> want, and touch one key to quickly bring up your standard function >>>>>> keys at any time. Plus, being a touch-sensitive display, you can >>>>>> perform gestures on the TouchBar. It wasn't clear what gestures are >>>>>> supported, but we know for sure that up to ten simultaneous touches >>>>>> will be recognized. That means dragging, pinching, swiping, and >>>>>> more, all with one or more fingers. >>>>>> >>>>>> The TouchBar is Apple's first attempt to marry a touch-enabled >>>>>> display with the keyboard- and mouse-driven world of macOS. No, it >>>>>> won't be perfect right away, but it speaks of exciting things to >>>>>> come. Even in this first iteration, I have to admit I'm eager to >>>>>> try it out for myself. It's not the access to functions for which >>>>>> hotkeys already exist that I like, but rather the customization >>>>>> possibilities I can envision. Combined with gesture input, the >>>>>> TouchBar could significantly raise the bar on computer interfaces. >>>>>> I apologize for any mental injury caused by such a terrible pun. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, this means that VoiceOver users lose the hardware keys >>>>>> we use all the time--escape, f1, f2, and f5 come to mind >>>>>> immediately as keys I use many times a day for various VO commands. >>>>>> The big question, then, is how to perform these commands if all the >>>>>> virtual keys on the TouchBar have configured themselves for the >>>>>> currently open application? I wish I had the answer, but all I can >>>>>> say is that we at AppleVis have reached out to Apple about this >>>>>> issue. Thus far, we haven't heard, but we will let you know when >>>>>> and if we get a response. Still, with the Apple TV, Apple Watch, >>>>>> boot sequence with File Vault enabled, and even complete macOS >>>>>> re-installs all offering VoiceOver support, I have no doubt that >>>>>> the new TouchBar won't be a problem. Who knows; there may even be a >>>>>> whole new commander to play with. >>>>>> >>>>>> A Touchy Addition >>>>>> >>>>>> Ever since the iPhone 5s in 2013, TouchID has been a staple of iOS >>>>>> devices. If you bought an iPhone or iPad, you knew you'd get the >>>>>> ability to unlock it, or authorize payments/purchases/apps, with >>>>>> your fingerprint. However, no Mac has ever had this hugely >>>>>> convenient ability. Apple partly addressed this shortcoming in >>>>>> macOS Sierra, allowing users to perform authentication on their >>>>>> Macs through iPhones or Apple Watches. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, though, the MacBook Pro can do it all; the power button is >>>>>> also a TouchID sensor. Logging into your Mac, entering your admin >>>>>> password, using Apple Pay, and other security-centric tasks just >>>>>> got a lot more convenient. Simply place a finger on the power >>>>>> button, and that's it. Just like on iOS devices, the Mac reads your >>>>>> print, authenticates you, and you're all set. If you share a Mac >>>>>> with someone else, you can even use TouchID to immediately switch >>>>>> to your own user account, simply by touching the reader. >>>>>> >>>>>> Getting Butterflies Over the New Keyboard >>>>>> >>>>>> Now I have to give you the bad news. When the Retina MacBook came >>>>>> out, it included a keyboard that Apple naturally called >>>>>> "revolutionary". The keyboard took up less space, and gave a whole >>>>>> new feel to typing due to its "butterfly" switches. Apple may love >>>>>> the new design, but many reviewers found it odd and not as nice as >>>>>> the old keyboards. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I went down to a local outlet store and tried the keyboard >>>>>> myself, I had to agree; the key travel was less, and--more >>>>>> importantly--the space between the keys was almost non-existent. >>>>>> This made it very hard for me to feel where the keys were. I >>>>>> imagine this would have gotten better with time, so I'm not willing >>>>>> to condemn the keyboard based only on that first impression. >>>>>> >>>>>> I say all that to say this: a new version of that new keyboard is >>>>>> now standard on all MacBooks. The good news is that Apple >>>>>> specifically mentioned key travel as an area of improvement in this >>>>>> new generation keyboard, so I'm happy to try out the latest model >>>>>> and be proven wrong. I do recommend getting over to an Apple Store >>>>>> or other shop where a demo MacBook is displayed so you can get your >>>>>> hands on the new keyboard before you make any purchase, if >>>>>> possible. However, the mention of an updated design gives me hope >>>>>> that Apple may have gotten it right this time. Only time and >>>>>> experience will tell. >>>>>> >>>>>> The New Line-Up (Or: Bye-Bye to the MacBook Air ) >>>>>> >>>>>> For years, the choice of Macs has been simple: an eleven- or >>>>>> thirteen-inch Air, or a thirteen- or fifteen-inch Pro. In 2015, >>>>>> Apple shook things up with the introduction of a twelve-inch >>>>>> MacBook with a retina display, dubbed the Retina MacBook or, >>>>>> confusingly, simply the MacBook. Despite its larger screen, this >>>>>> device was about the size of the eleven-inch Air, and rumors >>>>>> swirled that Apple would drop the smallest Air from the line- up. >>>>>> As the Retina version lacked more than one USB port and used a less >>>>>> powerful processor, though, there was still a valid use case for >>>>>> the Air. >>>>>> >>>>>> Despite all that, the Air is no more. It has been replaced with the >>>>>> twelve-inch Retina model for those wanting the smallest computer, >>>>>> and a basic version of the 13-inch Pro for those wanting a little >>>>>> more. Again, though, both devices are about the same size, so you >>>>>> don't have to worry about getting a physically larger machine. In >>>>>> fact, the 13-inch Pro is twelve percent thinner and thirteen >>>>>> percent smaller in overall volume than the 13-inch Air. Note that, >>>>>> at least for the moment, the 13-inch Air remains available, while >>>>>> the 11-inch Air has been pulled. No one knows how long this will >>>>>> last, though, just as there's no telling for how much longer the >>>>>> 13-inch Pro from 2015 will continue to be sold. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Airs are all but gone, and in their place are the 12-inch >>>>>> MacBook we already know, and a 13-inch Pro to take the place of the >>>>>> 13-inch Air, While it so far has no official name, this Pro lacks >>>>>> the TouchBar and TouchID of its more expensive sibling, and >>>>>> includes two USB-C ports to the four that come on the "real" Pros. >>>>>> If you're looking for a new Mac, here are your options. All of >>>>>> these come with 256GB of storage and 8GB of ram, except the 15-inch >>>>>> Pro which has 16GB of ram: >>>>>> >>>>>> 12-inch MacBook: one USB-C port, fanless design, smallest and least >>>>>> powerful MacBook available. $1,299, 2 pounds. >>>>>> 13-inch "basic" Pro: two USB-C ports, no TouchBar, no TouchID, 2GhZ >>>>>> dual core Core I5 processor. Identical to base model 13-inch Pro in >>>>>> all other ways. $1,499, 3 pounds. >>>>>> 13-inch Pro: four USB-C ports, 2.9GhZ dual core Core I5 processor, >>>>>> includes TouchBar. $1,799, 3 pounds. >>>>>> 15-inch Pro: four USB-C ports, 2.6GhZ quad core Core I7, includes >>>>>> TouchBar. Again, starts with 16GB of ram to the others' 8GB. >>>>>> $2,399, 4 pounds. >>>>>> Until Next Year >>>>>> >>>>>> That's it. Apple isn't expected to release anything new until >>>>>> sometime next year, so go forth and shop with confidence that >>>>>> you're getting the newest machines for months to come. Or, wait for >>>>>> deals on the "old" models, which are still extremely powerful and >>>>>> capable computers. Whatever you decide, today's announcements gave >>>>>> you a lot to choose from. >>>>>> >>>>>> As of today (the day of the event), pre-orders are open for all >>>>>> models, though some won't ship for a few weeks while others will go >>>>>> out today. Please don't rely on this article for final prices, >>>>>> specifications, and upgrade options. Use Apple's website, or the >>>>>> Apple Store app, for that. I'm just giving you the basics, as given >>>>>> out at the presentation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know what you're thinking. Is the incredible reduction in >>>>>> size, and increase in power, enough to make you want a new Pro? >>>>>> Will you snatch up an Air while you can (no one knows if they're >>>>>> officially being discontinued)? Are you intrigued by the TouchBar, >>>>>> or do you want to stay far away from it? If I had the money, I'd >>>>>> get the 13-inch Pro with TouchBar in a heartbeat. The possibilities >>>>>> of a second touch/display surface are exciting, and I use >>>>>> peripherals rarely enough that going all USB-C wouldn't bother me. >>>>>> My only concern is the keyboard, but I have yet to see this new >>>>>> generation in person. 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