I agree with Mary completely, here. Google seems to think it's fine to ignore standard conventions, and make blind users learn their system. I don't consider that acceptable. While it's true that different OSes have different key commands, Google refuses to utilize the existing structure of the OS, making users learn a whole new set of commands to accommodate them. For as long as I have the choice to do so, I will refuse to use Google for that reason alone. I realize that they don't care about my small protest, but I will do it anyway, and will continue to mark them down for accessibility. Cheers, Donna > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:11 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I > resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should > play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific > Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have > lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? > HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. > But I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've > played with the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind > people to learn a whole different system just because they can.. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: > >> So how good is chrome vox? >> >> And is there a cost to get access to it? >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao >> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM >> To: MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover >> >> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac: >> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn >> >> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn> >> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite. >> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola <waterwogs...@gmail.com >> <mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already >> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from >> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit >> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. >> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and >> then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. >> I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What >> am I missing? Or is it actually just a mess anyway? >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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