Hi Mary, Yeah it’s crazy so far all I’ve been able to confirm is AD and sub titles are the only things in the accessibilities menu under settings,
Yeah from the home screan of the Samsung tv try holding down the mute key and see what happens, you may have to hold it down for a few seconds to get the menu to pop up. I can’t see why it would be not available here so Have to wait till Samsung nz are back at work after break. Have a great new years simon From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2016 6:09 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover Hi Simon, Well, I don't know about any shortcuts, and I can not imagine that Samsung made something just for the US. But here, without any shortcut is what you do. Go to menu, then system, then accessibility. When you open accessibility, voice Guide is the first thing in the list. It's a toggle to be turned on or off. I know that's not just for this TV but for any of the Samsung smart TVs made with in the last couple of years. I can't imagine Samsung made TVs just for the United States with this feature built-in. So I'm not sure what's happening for you. And maybe you will like the Sony. I'm just OK with a Samsung because of the cost because I'd rather put my money, what little of it there is, into audio if I can get by with a cheaper TV. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: Hi Mary, Well my findings thus far are weird, I’ve checked out the latest Samsung tvs of 2016 from the 32” up to the 75” curved screan and none of them give the voice guidance accessibility features, All have the AD and sub title features but nothing had the tts screan reading feature, AD was disabled at the point we were looking So either the TTS feature doesn’t show up with the accessibility short cut option of using the Mute button held down till the menu shows or it’s just not there on NZ models of the tv’s Athanks for the model number But again I’m going back to look at the Sony android devices. Thanks Simon F From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, 30 December 2016 5:35 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover Hi Simon, The Samsung TV I have is model number un32j5500af They have a few I think with similar model numbers. This is a 32 inch model. They have larger ones. This one may have been exclusive to Best Buy. But if it is, there is another one with a very similar number. It's a smart TV. And you have to go into the menus and turn on the voice guidance. If your sales guy can't figure that out, I can find out exactly what steps to take to do that. Someone did kind of a rambling podcast on this TV earlier this year. Not everything talks, such as once you get into the hub. But if what you want is to use the TV and switch hdmi ports etc. and know what channel you're on and what program is on that channel if it's over the air, it works just fine. And there is some kind of guide that also seems to work fine, although I don't use it much. I accidentally went into it once, and it started telling me what programs were on the channel I was watching over the air. So, while it may not be as smooth as the other TV that was being discussed, the price was right and it does what I need it to do in an accessible way. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: Hi Mary, Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun with their computers, On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak keyboard and Spanish display languages it appears they reset it back to factory defaults. Anyway What is the Samsung tv model you have with the accessibility features? I asked the sale guy about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t find anything in the models they had in store, I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung then I’d prefer to. The fact the android OS was fully accessible was the reason I was starting to look at that more than anything else. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 32 inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one you have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see any point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out with the Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is worth it on the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony and spend it on a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. But to each their own. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: Hi Mary, I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products, However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to change my mind. I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs I’m realy changing my mind, Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv without sighted assistance. As for google docks and chrome vox, This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes. Google are doing some good thigns, From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. But I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've played with the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind people to learn a whole different system just because they can.. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: So how good is chrome vox? And is there a cost to get access to it? From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM To: MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn It provides a lot better experience with G Suite. On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola <waterwogs...@gmail.com<mailto:waterwogs...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. 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