The phone App is ok, the App on Amazon is also very accessible.  I think it’s 
pretty good on Apple TV 4th gen as well.  I don’t remember having to fight much 
with Netflix.

I love the service though, between that and amazon prime I watch much less 
regular TV these days.

> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:25 PM, Donna Goodin <[email protected]> wro:
 
> You raise an interesting point.  Thinking about Netflix, I wonder how the 
> phone app and the TV app compare.  I have the app on my phone, but never use 
> it.  I may have to check it out further just out of curiosity.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> I think it depends on how the accessibility is implemented.  Issues on Apple 
>> may not exist on Android and vise versa.  Just a guess but I suspect that’s 
>> part of it.  Also, Apple has not done nearly as good of a job insisting on 
>> accessibility on the TV unit as they have on the phone in my opinion.
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Donna Goodin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> that's interesting.  Given that the same issue of app developers 
>>> building--or not building in accessibility, it would seem that apps that 
>>> have problems on one device would have problems on the other.
>>> 
>>> As for 3 vs. 4th gen, it's true the 3rd gen was a cleaner interface but it 
>>> also didn't try to do as much.  I like the keypad on the 4th, and the 
>>> addition of Siri.  I also like the touchpad, for me it makes many things 
>>> more efficient.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The apps are far more hit and miss in my experience than the fire TV.  Not 
>>>> sure what’s at work there.  THere’s just simple stuff like consistently 
>>>> getting the code read to you that you use to register with the provider to 
>>>> stream live content.  My local channels apps like CBS work more 
>>>> consistently and accessibly in my experience.  I’m a much bigger fan of 
>>>> the generation 3 than the 4.  The 3 was much cleaner and didn’t depend on 
>>>> 3rd parties as much.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Donna Goodin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> How do you figure the accessibility sucks?  I mean, it's true, the 
>>>>> 3rd-party apps can be dicey, as they depend on whether the developer has 
>>>>> made them accessible.  But I have no accessibility gripes  with the Apple 
>>>>> TV itself.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>>>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
>>>>>> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
>>>>>> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know what 
>>>>>>> I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason I want 
>>>>>>> a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th? Send it to 
>>>>>>> me. (smiles)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>> E-mail: [email protected]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>>>>>>>> my opinion.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching 
>>>>>>>>> to get numbers or punctuation.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>>>>>>>>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>>>>>>>>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
>>>>>>>>> had the bucks.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>>>> E-mail: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are 
>>>>>>>>>> people excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run 
>>>>>>>>>>> iOS 11.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>>>>>>>>>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 
>>>>>>>>>>>> cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty 
>>>>>>>>>>>> hot.  Granted the device starts a
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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