The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is subjective 
at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private campground, is 
camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the local pub or 
restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  Then there are 
those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a carry-in tent. Some 
camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot dogs, chips and beer, 
leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all subjective.    

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: August    31, 2017 4:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with guide 
dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a guide 
dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There are a 
million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me you have 
taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I am going 
to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with my f'in 
guide dog.

PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.


On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>    How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not 
> Eat, its E.T.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hey EAT,
>> How about a tactual compass?
>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the 
>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>   Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the 
>> evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>
>>>    A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>>
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>>>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
>>>> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
>>>> for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
>>>> possibilities not available on your phone.
>>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>>>>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
>>>>> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my 
>>>>> own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd 
>>>>> get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some 
>>>>> people could give me some tips on using technology to help me with 
>>>>> stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The 
>>>>> iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it 
>>>>> works. I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably 
>>>>> too late to update my phone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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