Tim, just to back up what you’re saying, you could also pull the direct lat and long data from the GPS and plot it on a real map if you had to. The GPS data can be grabbed and translated in to both time and lat / Lon position pretty easily which is what Google maps in your example was doing. Google was just doing the plotting directly in their app instead of using the old pen and paper method.
The thing is no matter the support you provide though you’re going to get Gilland because Todor is Chris Gilland a well known troll for over a decade now. He gets tossed off lists and reappears under different names. He was tossed off this list for example so reappeared on the Android eyes-free list where he uses the Gilland name and has a few others he uses until he wares out his welcome and then gets bounced to the next list. So you could have the lead engineer on the GPS working group support your position and it wouldn’t matter because this is a trouble making effort, not a genuine set of questions. > On Aug 31, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > consider this folks. In the Spring of 2016, my son was in Italy. To save > money, Data Roaming and cell service were turned off. No WiFi either. > Probably in Airplane mode as well to make sure he wasn't accidentally charged > for data or anything at international rates. He downloaded a map through > Google Maps on his phone when he was in the hostel the night before. While > on the bus, with his phone turned on, but no network connectivity of any sort > as mentioned earlier, he could watch a little dot of him traveling along the > roads on this downloaded map. So, the GPS is running and keeping track of > your location, the compass is active, but without pre-loading a map, no > directions are possible. > > People need to consider the difference in semantics. Just because the GPS > and compass are active, no route mapping is possible, no location services > are possible, unless you have an off-line or downloaded map that is related > to a specific navigational mapping or routing service like Google. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Aug 31, 2017, at 14:39, David & his pack of dogs <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Maybe camping to scott is not leaving his RV? Coverage has improved a lot > but, having camped in the forest, there are still places that signals cannot > get too. When we were in an underground parkaid at an international airport, > the GPS did not work at all. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL > Sent: August 31, 2017 12:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip > > Hey Scott, > If your out in the forest to climb rocks and such, I think you should not > depend on reception thats why I suggested a tactile compass to get you > pointed in the correct direction and once your guide dog recognizes the > "latrine" or starting point for the climb he'll guide you to it!!! :) A > "satellite phone" may be a solution also but if you want to un plug go all > the way. > I never leave the house with out my compass in my bag as a back up! > Chuck > "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the Beauty of > the world, all the evidence that points to Our intelligent Design. You > ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did > it!" > CR > > > > On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > >> Right again, this is a problem with your application >> >> Not the phone or the network. >> >> >>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told >>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to >>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my >>> directions. >>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with >>> GPS then mine did. >>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any >>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake. >>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house. >>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all. >>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> This is not correct. >>>> >>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls >>>> location data from the network. You have to have cell signal for the >>>> tower based location but GPS will be received all the time. You will need >>>> to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account. WiFi is >>>> not required however. >>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long >>>>> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big >>>>> paper weight and only good for books and games. >>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, >>>>>> its E.T. >>>>>> >>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the >>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn >>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>>>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote: >>>>>>> Hey EAT, >>>>>>> How about a tactual compass? >>>>>>> This would point you and the guide dog in the general direction >>>>>>> and when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck >>>>>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the >>>>>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to Our intelligent >>>>>>> Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out >>>>>>> Ancient Aliens did it!" >>>>>>> CR >>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote: >>>>>>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work >>>>>>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the >>>>>>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn >>>>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>>>>>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote: >>>>>>>>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, >>>>>>>>> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute >>>>>>>>> for a friendly smile and asking for help. And, it offers certain >>>>>>>>> possibilities not available on your phone. >>>>>>>>> Sent from my IPhone >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called >>>>>>>>>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in >>>>>>>>>> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own >>>>>>>>>> I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get >>>>>>>>>> confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people >>>>>>>>>> could give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. >>>>>>>>>> Any ideas what so ever are acceptable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The >>>>>>>>>> iphone is running the latest version of IOS. 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