Hi, I agree that from a VO prospective, this is certainly a bug. The workaround is to use System Prefs. Go into System Prefs, Accessibility, then select Speech from the table. The default System voice will be announced in the pop-up. Choose Customize from this menu and you can uncheck voices just like in the VO Utility. After pressing OK, you should be prompted with the question "Would you like to remove the voice that you've unselected, or keep them". If you choose "Remove" then they shouldn't appear in the rotor anymore. I didn't test if you kept them whether they'd be removed from the rotor, but deleting them did remove them from the rotor for me.
I still recommend that you submit a bug report about the problem from the VO Utility prospective, but this hopefully helps you for now. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 15, 2017, at 16:58, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Andrew, I stand corrected. Yes, I've just tried this with both the Apple default voices and a few of the additional ones and though they are unchecked, they remain in the rotor selections. Please report this to, accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> . Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com > <mailto:ioani...@me.com>> wrote: > > Dear John, > > That is exactly what I have done with no effect. I’ve been a user of > Voiceover for ten years, so I have quite a bit of experience of problems, and > that’s what I’ve done straight away. But this hasn’t produced any > improvements. That’s why I think it may be a bug. Are you saying that you > work in the multilingual environment with many voices and that you are not > experiencing the same problems that I’ve described? > > Andrew > >> On Oct 15, 2017, at 5:42 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com >> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> You can remove any voices from VoiceOver Utility by unchecking the boxes >> for the specific voice. Just choose, custom, as you would if you wanted to >> add voices. Once you do this, you won't see the voices in the rotor options. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Fleger <mailinglis...@fleger.net >>> <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, I don't like that either. Let's hope Apple will change this quickly >>> and not in 10.14. >>> >>> >>> >>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >>> >>>> Am 15.10.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com >>>> <mailto:ioani...@me.com>>: >>>> >>>> Listers, >>>> >>>> I must say i dislike the way the new voice rotor works. Up until Sierra, >>>> if you needed more than one language to work with, you would customise the >>>> rotor by adding languages and then you would be able to choose the >>>> language you want on the fly by vo+command+arrow keys. The issue in High >>>> Sierra is not that one needs the addition of the shift key to work but >>>> rather that I have some other languages in the rotor which I have not >>>> chosen and I can’t get rid of them. Those of you who use more than one >>>> language, can you see the same behaviour? Also, before High Sierra, when >>>> you chose a different language, the previous one you had been using was >>>> just the next in the list if you wanted to return to it, all you needed is >>>> one press of the key combination for the voices menu. In High Sierra you >>>> have to go back up the list if the voice you have chosen is the third or >>>> fourth, because the previous voice remains where it always has been in the >>>> list. 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