On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi,
That's interesting. People have been experiencing this issue since, at least,
Sierra. I'm sure that I also heard that someone submitted a report quite a
while back. Wasn't me, but I seem to recall that someone else did. I guess I
could have just been assuming. Either way, not a particularly useful response
since the majority of Apple Care reps know little about VO sorts of issues.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 1, 2017, at 08:06, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote:
Well, I got a response from Apple accessibility on this issue as well as my PDF
issue. Regarding this one, they say no one has ever reported it to them, and I
should get a hold of AppleCare. Nice, except that my machine is long out of
warranty and I’m not made of money. At the very least, I certainly urge
everybody experiencing this to send notes to Apple accessibility, so they know
that there is an issue and not just me and my Mac Mini.
Mary
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On Nov 1, 2017, at 6:53 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Simon,
Both platform types as far as I can tell. I have an SSD on my MBP and it does
this and I'm sure I've had it happen on spinners as well. Really an't see why
that would be the cause though. It has to do with the screen lock/sleep
feature as far as I can tell. As this activity is engaged, its focus is
gained, so VO announces the new focused app/window. That's normally a good
thing, but in this case, it's a problem.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 1, 2017, at 00:16, Simon Fogarty <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks, I thought that was the case.
But is this only happening to the spinning drives or on both platform types?
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On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 6:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden but talks
and interrupt continuous reading
Just to be clear, installing High Sierra on a spinning drive will default to
macOS Extended Journaled.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 10/31/2017 10:23 PM, E.T. wrote:
Correct.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 10/31/2017 10:23 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
Hi ET,
Just had that same thought
But do non ssd drives use APFS by default?
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Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden
but talks and interrupt continuous reading
Interesting. I guess that knocks the thing sideways. For a while
I wondered if the issue was on non SSD drives which are formatted to
APDS.
Apparently not.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 10/31/2017 10:27 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi ET,
For fun, I just did a clean install on a brand new external SSD.
The problem persists. I will speak with a few of my contacts and
see if I can get anywhere.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 31, 2017, at 09:03, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
For me it was in fact fixed. As I stated, a clean install and no
migration may have been the solution. High Sierra has its own issues
but this is not one of them.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: [email protected]
On 10/31/2017 7:48 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
Hi ET,
This has been going on since Sierra on my mac book air.
Tech support said that it would be fixed a year ago!
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’
On Oct 31, 2017, at 10:41 AM, E.T. wrote:
Hopefully everyone is emailing Apple Accessibility with this.
I have yet to see this. I did not use Migration Assistant when I
did the clean install, not sure if that is why. Be interesting to
learn what Apple says.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: [email protected]
On 10/31/2017 2:53 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
It happens when you are reading or when the computer is idle,
Voiceover will announce this window. I did a clean install and
it still happens.
Andrew
On Oct 31, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Simon Fogarty
<[email protected]>
wrote:
And is it only happening with web pages?
I have a funny feeling I struck this with sierra and needed a
sighted colleague to click something to get rid of it.
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Sent: Tuesday, 31 October 2017 4:22 PM
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Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is
hidden but talks and interrupt continuous reading
Mary,
Help us. How about a web page (in English) where this
happens. Does it only happen in web pages and emails?
Did you do a clean install or did you upgrade over Sierra?
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 10/30/2017 8:09 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Well, if anybody cares, I set my Mac to go to sleep after three
hours. It had been set to never. And I said the screen saver
to kick in after 1 hour. I shut down the machine and restarted it.
And still, if I start reading a long email or an article,
within about two minutes or so, I get that damn announcement.
This is really unusable. I've gone from busy busy on Sierra to
this. I'm just about done with a Mac. If I can't get basic
tasks done efficiently, windows here I come. It's really a
shame. Because Apple bills nice machines. And the phones are
great, and I love how the Mac on the phone sink etc. But come
on. How hard should it be to allow people to just simply read things?
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 3:14 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
You'd think so, but, it seems that the Security Server is
still called up and the authentication window rears its ugly head.
Try a long time, but not the "Never" option and see if that
helps at all. I've been trying to see if I can localize the
Security Server and create an activity, but haven't made a lot
of progress yet. Lots of "nice try Tim", but nothing tangible
yet.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 30, 2017, at 13:07, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Tim, but if I have it set not to go to sleep, shouldn't
that solve the problem? Maybe there are two settings? Maybe
I'm missing one.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi,
What's happening here is that the authentication layer, which
is invisible to the sighted user, is activating. When your
computer screen is set to sleep after a certain amount of
time, or if it is set to lock after a certain amount of time,
authentication will take over and require a password to allow
someone access to the computer. If you disable this level of
security, it seems that the authentication layer initially
still activates, but it does not lock down your computer.
Because the authentication layer was activated, VO announces
that this window gained focus, and, of course, this
announcement interrupts whatever you're listening to.
extending the time of the screen sleep or scree saver will
reduce the incidence of this announcement.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 30, 2017, at 12:07, Robert Cole
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
Try changing the time that the screen goes to sleep.
On Oct 30, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi folks,
With my Mac on High Sierra, I am having VoiceOver interrupt
continuous reading on webpages every so often with a text
that says user authentication window. Now if I envoke window
chooser, this window is not evident. So I guess it's hidden
or something. I'm wondering if there's anyway to find it and
get rid of it.
Mary
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