HI. I sometimes get the authentication has new window, but it’s never interrupted when I’ve been reading or anything like that. I don’t know what I have set differently, but I’m not seeing this issue.
Maria > On 3 Nov 2017, at 5:54 am, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote: > > A note here. Leaving the display set to never and enabling screen saver, > when it kicks in, it only announces the screen saver and its name. No > authentication dialog. In Sierra, it did announce "authentication has new > window". > > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . > "God for you is where you sweep away all the > mysteries of the world, all the challenges to > our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off > and say God did it." --Carl Sagan > E-mail: [email protected] > > On 11/2/2017 10:13 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> Hi, >> Yeah, that doesn't make any difference. I just listened for over 20 minutes >> to an article on the web about authorization services on the Mac for >> developers. Riveting stuff I tell ya ;). Some settings both in VO and on >> the Mac to check as well. >> • On the Mac, in System Prefs, Accessibility, under the Speech feature set, >> make sure that announcing dialogs is not checked. >> • In VO on the Mac, under Verbosity, Announcements, make sure announcing >> when the mouse enters a window and the announcing dialogs are both unchecked. >> See if you get any success. >> Later... >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> On Nov 2, 2017, at 11:01, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote: >> Tim, >> I do not have the require password enabled. I have tried other settings to >> no avail. >> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >> "God for you is where you sweep away all the >> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to >> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off >> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >> E-mail: [email protected] >> On 11/2/2017 7:53 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>> Hi, >>> In my testing, my MBP is set to require a password after screen-lock or >>> screen saver. I'm not sure if those of you where it's not working have it >>> set the same. I will turn that feature off and see what happens to me. >>> Later... >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 08:30, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Shawn, >>> We'll have to compare even more notes. There's got to be some settings, or >>> combination of settings that will work for others like it seems to have for >>> me. I've tested it in a few different scenarios and I've eliminated it on >>> my MBP. >>> Later... >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 22:34, Shawn Krasniuk <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Tim. After having Voiceover read the Applevis Newsletter, I found out >>> that trick doesn't work on my computer. >>> Shawn >>> Sent From My White MacBook >>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>> Facetime: [email protected] >>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I may have a fix for now. It has worked for me in two different >>>> scenarios. In the VO Utility, under the Web category, make sure that the >>>> "Enable Live Regions" checkbox is not checked. This seems to allow VO to >>>> remain speaking for an extended length of time. During this testing, I >>>> had my MBP set that the computer never goes to sleep, and that the display >>>> would go to sleep after one minute. I had it read a long, boring legal >>>> document on school fees and VO read the entire document, then after one >>>> minute of silence, the Login Panel spoke. I also tested it with a rather >>>> long explanation of security, authentication and authorization within the >>>> base level of the MacOS. After about 10 minutes, the Login Panel had not >>>> reared its ugly head. Of course, if you use the Live Regions in web-pages >>>> often, this isn't a good fix, but for now, it has worked for me. >>>> >>>> Any others who wish to try this workaround/fix are welcome to do so and >>>> post results here. I realize that just because it worked for me, it does >>>> not always mean that it will work for others in all situations. >>>> >>>> Later... >>>> >>>> >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:06, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, all I can say is for all of those of you who have reported this, >>>> please do it again. Either that individual I got an Apple accessibility is >>>> clueless. They don’t communicate. Or whatever. And any case, maybe the >>>> squeaky wheel gets the grease. >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Christine Grassman <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I contacted Apple about this ages and ages ago. >>>>> Christine >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:26 AM, CHUCK REICHEL >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi tim, >>>>>> I logged this a year ago with an apple tech & he assured me that it was >>>>>> on apples radar and was going to be addressed in a future Sierra os >>>>>> release! >>>>>> needless to say my mac book air is still doing the same interrupt! LOL >>>>>> Talk soon >>>>>> Chuck >>>>>> "God does not play dice with the universe" >>>>>> "Albert Einstein’ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's interesting. People have been experiencing this issue since, at >>>>>>> least, Sierra. I'm sure that I also heard that someone submitted a >>>>>>> report quite a while back. Wasn't me, but I seem to recall that >>>>>>> someone else did. I guess I could have just been assuming. Either >>>>>>> way, not a particularly useful response since the majority of Apple >>>>>>> Care reps know little about VO sorts of issues. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 08:06, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, I got a response from Apple accessibility on this issue as well >>>>>>> as my PDF issue. Regarding this one, they say no one has ever reported >>>>>>> it to them, and I should get a hold of AppleCare. Nice, except that my >>>>>>> machine is long out of warranty and I’m not made of money. At the very >>>>>>> least, I certainly urge everybody experiencing this to send notes to >>>>>>> Apple accessibility, so they know that there is an issue and not just >>>>>>> me and my Mac Mini. >>>>>>> Mary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 6:53 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Simon, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Both platform types as far as I can tell. I have an SSD on my MBP and >>>>>>>> it does this and I'm sure I've had it happen on spinners as well. >>>>>>>> Really an't see why that would be the cause though. It has to do with >>>>>>>> the screen lock/sleep feature as far as I can tell. As this activity >>>>>>>> is engaged, its focus is gained, so VO announces the new focused >>>>>>>> app/window. That's normally a good thing, but in this case, it's a >>>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 00:16, Simon Fogarty <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, I thought that was the case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But is this only happening to the spinning drives or on both platform >>>>>>>> types? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of E.T. >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 6:27 PM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden >>>>>>>> but talks and interrupt continuous reading >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just to be clear, installing High Sierra on a spinning drive will >>>>>>>> default to macOS Extended Journaled. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the >>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to >>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off >>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>>>>>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2017 10:23 PM, E.T. wrote: >>>>>>>>> Correct. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the >>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to >>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off >>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>>>>>>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2017 10:23 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi ET, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just had that same thought >>>>>>>>>> But do non ssd drives use APFS by default? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of E.T. >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 6:34 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden >>>>>>>>>> but talks and interrupt continuous reading >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Interesting. I guess that knocks the thing sideways. For a while >>>>>>>>>> I wondered if the issue was on non SSD drives which are formatted to >>>>>>>>>> APDS. >>>>>>>>>> Apparently not. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the >>>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to >>>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off >>>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>>>>>>>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2017 10:27 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi ET, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For fun, I just did a clean install on a brand new external SSD. >>>>>>>>>>> The problem persists. I will speak with a few of my contacts and >>>>>>>>>>> see if I can get anywhere. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 09:03, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For me it was in fact fixed. As I stated, a clean install and no >>>>>>>>>>> migration may have been the solution. High Sierra has its own issues >>>>>>>>>>> but this is not one of them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the >>>>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to >>>>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off >>>>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2017 7:48 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi ET, >>>>>>>>>>>> This has been going on since Sierra on my mac book air. >>>>>>>>>>>> Tech support said that it would be fixed a year ago! >>>>>>>>>>>> "God does not play dice with the universe" >>>>>>>>>>>> "Albert Einstein’ >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 10:41 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully everyone is emailing Apple Accessibility with this. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see this. I did not use Migration Assistant when I >>>>>>>>>>>>> did the clean install, not sure if that is why. Be interesting to >>>>>>>>>>>>> learn what Apple says. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the >>>>>>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to >>>>>>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off >>>>>>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/31/2017 2:53 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It happens when you are reading or when the computer is idle, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voiceover will announce this window. I did a clean install and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it still happens. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Simon Fogarty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And is it only happening with web pages? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a funny feeling I struck this with sierra and needed a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted colleague to click something to get rid of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of E.T. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 October 2017 4:22 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden but talks and interrupt continuous reading >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Help us. How about a web page (in English) where this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens. Does it only happen in web pages and emails? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you do a clean install or did you upgrade over Sierra? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/30/2017 8:09 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if anybody cares, I set my Mac to go to sleep after three >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hours. It had been set to never. And I said the screen saver >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to kick in after 1 hour. I shut down the machine and restarted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And still, if I start reading a long email or an article, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within about two minutes or so, I get that damn announcement. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is really unusable. I've gone from busy busy on Sierra to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this. I'm just about done with a Mac. If I can't get basic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks done efficiently, windows here I come. It's really a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shame. Because Apple bills nice machines. And the phones are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great, and I love how the Mac on the phone sink etc. But come >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on. How hard should it be to allow people to just simply read >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 3:14 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'd think so, but, it seems that the Security Server is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still called up and the authentication window rears its ugly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> head. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try a long time, but not the "Never" option and see if that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helps at all. I've been trying to see if I can localize the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Security Server and create an activity, but haven't made a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of progress yet. Lots of "nice try Tim", but nothing tangible >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 13:07, Mary Otten <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim, but if I have it set not to go to sleep, shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that solve the problem? Maybe there are two settings? Maybe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm missing one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's happening here is that the authentication layer, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is invisible to the sighted user, is activating. When your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer screen is set to sleep after a certain amount of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, or if it is set to lock after a certain amount of time, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authentication will take over and require a password to allow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone access to the computer. If you disable this level of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security, it seems that the authentication layer initially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still activates, but it does not lock down your computer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because the authentication layer was activated, VO announces >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that this window gained focus, and, of course, this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement interrupts whatever you're listening to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extending the time of the screen sleep or scree saver will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reduce the incidence of this announcement. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 12:07, Robert Cole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try changing the time that the screen goes to sleep. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With my Mac on High Sierra, I am having VoiceOver interrupt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuous reading on webpages every so often with a text >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that says user authentication window. 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