Oh please would you read that article to us? :)
I tried all those settings and no go. I even changed to automatic
login. Its interesting to note that I can swap the VO settings between
the public release of High Sierra and the beta installations. The dialog
swaps yet both installs as far as VO goes are identical. Puzzling to say
the least.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 11/2/2017 10:13 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi,
Yeah, that doesn't make any difference. I just listened for over 20 minutes to
an article on the web about authorization services on the Mac for developers.
Riveting stuff I tell ya ;). Some settings both in VO and on the Mac to check
as well.
• On the Mac, in System Prefs, Accessibility, under the Speech feature set,
make sure that announcing dialogs is not checked.
• In VO on the Mac, under Verbosity, Announcements, make sure announcing when
the mouse enters a window and the announcing dialogs are both unchecked.
See if you get any success.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 2, 2017, at 11:01, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
Tim,
I do not have the require password enabled. I have tried other settings to
no avail.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: [email protected]
On 11/2/2017 7:53 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi,
In my testing, my MBP is set to require a password after screen-lock or screen
saver. I'm not sure if those of you where it's not working have it set the
same. I will turn that feature off and see what happens to me.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 2, 2017, at 08:30, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Shawn,
We'll have to compare even more notes. There's got to be some settings, or
combination of settings that will work for others like it seems to have for me.
I've tested it in a few different scenarios and I've eliminated it on my MBP.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 1, 2017, at 22:34, Shawn Krasniuk <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Tim. After having Voiceover read the Applevis Newsletter, I found out that
trick doesn't work on my computer.
Shawn
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On Nov 1, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi All,
I may have a fix for now. It has worked for me in two different scenarios. In the VO
Utility, under the Web category, make sure that the "Enable Live Regions"
checkbox is not checked. This seems to allow VO to remain speaking for an extended
length of time. During this testing, I had my MBP set that the computer never goes to
sleep, and that the display would go to sleep after one minute. I had it read a long,
boring legal document on school fees and VO read the entire document, then after one
minute of silence, the Login Panel spoke. I also tested it with a rather long
explanation of security, authentication and authorization within the base level of the
MacOS. After about 10 minutes, the Login Panel had not reared its ugly head. Of course,
if you use the Live Regions in web-pages often, this isn't a good fix, but for now, it
has worked for me.
Any others who wish to try this workaround/fix are welcome to do so and post
results here. I realize that just because it worked for me, it does not always
mean that it will work for others in all situations.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:06, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote:
Well, all I can say is for all of those of you who have reported this, please
do it again. Either that individual I got an Apple accessibility is clueless.
They don’t communicate. Or whatever. And any case, maybe the squeaky wheel gets
the grease.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Christine Grassman <[email protected]> wrote:
Yes, I contacted Apple about this ages and ages ago.
Christine
On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:26 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi tim,
I logged this a year ago with an apple tech & he assured me that it was on
apples radar and was going to be addressed in a future Sierra os release!
needless to say my mac book air is still doing the same interrupt! LOL
Talk soon
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’
On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi,
That's interesting. People have been experiencing this issue since, at least,
Sierra. I'm sure that I also heard that someone submitted a report quite a
while back. Wasn't me, but I seem to recall that someone else did. I guess I
could have just been assuming. Either way, not a particularly useful response
since the majority of Apple Care reps know little about VO sorts of issues.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 1, 2017, at 08:06, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote:
Well, I got a response from Apple accessibility on this issue as well as my PDF
issue. Regarding this one, they say no one has ever reported it to them, and I
should get a hold of AppleCare. Nice, except that my machine is long out of
warranty and I’m not made of money. At the very least, I certainly urge
everybody experiencing this to send notes to Apple accessibility, so they know
that there is an issue and not just me and my Mac Mini.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2017, at 6:53 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Simon,
Both platform types as far as I can tell. I have an SSD on my MBP and it does
this and I'm sure I've had it happen on spinners as well. Really an't see why
that would be the cause though. It has to do with the screen lock/sleep
feature as far as I can tell. As this activity is engaged, its focus is
gained, so VO announces the new focused app/window. That's normally a good
thing, but in this case, it's a problem.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 1, 2017, at 00:16, Simon Fogarty <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks, I thought that was the case.
But is this only happening to the spinning drives or on both platform types?
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 6:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden but talks
and interrupt continuous reading
Just to be clear, installing High Sierra on a spinning drive will default to
macOS Extended Journaled.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: [email protected]
On 10/31/2017 10:23 PM, E.T. wrote:
Correct.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: [email protected]
On 10/31/2017 10:23 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
Hi ET,
Just had that same thought
But do non ssd drives use APFS by default?
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 6:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is hidden
but talks and interrupt continuous reading
Interesting. I guess that knocks the thing sideways. For a while
I wondered if the issue was on non SSD drives which are formatted to
APDS.
Apparently not.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: [email protected]
On 10/31/2017 10:27 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi ET,
For fun, I just did a clean install on a brand new external SSD.
The problem persists. I will speak with a few of my contacts and
see if I can get anywhere.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 31, 2017, at 09:03, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
For me it was in fact fixed. As I stated, a clean install and no
migration may have been the solution. High Sierra has its own issues
but this is not one of them.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: [email protected]
On 10/31/2017 7:48 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
Hi ET,
This has been going on since Sierra on my mac book air.
Tech support said that it would be fixed a year ago!
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’
On Oct 31, 2017, at 10:41 AM, E.T. wrote:
Hopefully everyone is emailing Apple Accessibility with this.
I have yet to see this. I did not use Migration Assistant when I
did the clean install, not sure if that is why. Be interesting to
learn what Apple says.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: [email protected]
On 10/31/2017 2:53 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
It happens when you are reading or when the computer is idle,
Voiceover will announce this window. I did a clean install and
it still happens.
Andrew
On Oct 31, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Simon Fogarty
<[email protected]>
wrote:
And is it only happening with web pages?
I have a funny feeling I struck this with sierra and needed a
sighted colleague to click something to get rid of it.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Tuesday, 31 October 2017 4:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Irritating "user authentication" window that is
hidden but talks and interrupt continuous reading
Mary,
Help us. How about a web page (in English) where this
happens. Does it only happen in web pages and emails?
Did you do a clean install or did you upgrade over Sierra?
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: [email protected]
On 10/30/2017 8:09 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Well, if anybody cares, I set my Mac to go to sleep after three
hours. It had been set to never. And I said the screen saver
to kick in after 1 hour. I shut down the machine and restarted it.
And still, if I start reading a long email or an article,
within about two minutes or so, I get that damn announcement.
This is really unusable. I've gone from busy busy on Sierra to
this. I'm just about done with a Mac. If I can't get basic
tasks done efficiently, windows here I come. It's really a
shame. Because Apple bills nice machines. And the phones are
great, and I love how the Mac on the phone sink etc. But come
on. How hard should it be to allow people to just simply read things?
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 3:14 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
You'd think so, but, it seems that the Security Server is
still called up and the authentication window rears its ugly head.
Try a long time, but not the "Never" option and see if that
helps at all. I've been trying to see if I can localize the
Security Server and create an activity, but haven't made a lot
of progress yet. Lots of "nice try Tim", but nothing tangible
yet.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 30, 2017, at 13:07, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Tim, but if I have it set not to go to sleep, shouldn't
that solve the problem? Maybe there are two settings? Maybe
I'm missing one.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi,
What's happening here is that the authentication layer, which
is invisible to the sighted user, is activating. When your
computer screen is set to sleep after a certain amount of
time, or if it is set to lock after a certain amount of time,
authentication will take over and require a password to allow
someone access to the computer. If you disable this level of
security, it seems that the authentication layer initially
still activates, but it does not lock down your computer.
Because the authentication layer was activated, VO announces
that this window gained focus, and, of course, this
announcement interrupts whatever you're listening to.
extending the time of the screen sleep or scree saver will
reduce the incidence of this announcement.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 30, 2017, at 12:07, Robert Cole
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
Try changing the time that the screen goes to sleep.
On Oct 30, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi folks,
With my Mac on High Sierra, I am having VoiceOver interrupt
continuous reading on webpages every so often with a text
that says user authentication window. Now if I envoke window
chooser, this window is not evident. So I guess it's hidden
or something. I'm wondering if there's anyway to find it and
get rid of it.
Mary
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