Yes, but it is a matter of degree. Overall, blind people tend to complain and resist change more than sighted people. In schools, blind children tend to resist change more than any of the other physical or sensory disabilities.
Kind regards, David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +61 488 988 936 Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Nov 2017, at 20:06, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Maybe they do but you will find sighted people complain about things > they don't like as well. This can range from tech changes to well > anything else like bad drivers. > >> On 11/10/17, Maria Reyes <the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Just saying, I feel like the blind community complains about technology >> moving on a lot. >> >> Maria Reyes >> Owner of the following groups: Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io >> iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com >> >>> On Nov 10, 2017, at 5:55 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>> Maria, complaining is part of the human condition, If you have never >>> complained, you are not human. (smiles) >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the >>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to >>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off >>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> >>>> On 11/10/2017 2:17 PM, Maria Reyes wrote: >>>> Just curious why does the blind community complain a lot about this >>>> stuff? Welcome to the future... Time to move on. >>>> Anyway, if you are able to glance at your iPhone X there is a feature >>>> that you can enable in settings, accessibility, Face ID and passcode. >>>> David has a good point about the cameras being useful for the blind with >>>> improved OCR. >>>> Maria Reyes >>>> Owner of the following groups: Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io >>>> iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com >>>>> On Nov 7, 2017, at 3:56 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I love it. >>>>> >>>>> I Knew it wouldn't take long. >>>>> But I dind't think it would be this short a time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2017 3:37 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first 18 >>>>> hours - CNET >>>>> >>>>> Hi. This morning I read an article where younger sibling managed to >>>>> unlock an iPhone 10 and they were most definitely not twins. Mac rumours >>>>> has the story. >>>>> >>>>>> On 1 Nov 2017, at 17:00, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, you are correct with respect to the identical twins aspect of this >>>>>> feature, although photos, masks and such have no bearing in this >>>>>> process as the identification process is a 3D process, therefore, 2D >>>>>> photos are immaterial. This can be affirmed in the same article you >>>>>> partially posted. My main point is that we need to be careful when >>>>>> posting opinions of potential, unproven deficiencies. >>>>>> >>>>>> Later... >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:36, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> No, I,Robin do NOT have any Proof that Apple's TouchID is More or Less >>>>>> Secure than its NEW FaceID Although I have Heard News that Identical >>>>>> Twins Privacy & Security is More Secure with TouchID as Opposed to its >>>>>> FaceID based on Early Reports of Apple's FaceID on its ForthComing >>>>>> Anniversary Eidition of the iPhone, the iPhoneX (Pronounced iPhone10) >>>>>> >>>>>> People don't have the Same FingerPrints, but Photos or Faces can be >>>>>> Identical as IN Identical Twins >>>>>> >>>>>> I,Robin Learned through MyStudy of Forensics (Forensic Science) that >>>>>> FringerPrints Vary from 1 Individual TO Another (Individual) At 08:30 >>>>>> AM 11/1/2017, you wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Robin, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> do you have some credible source to support your belief about the >>>>>>> level of security of a Face ID vs a finger-print sensor? I'm not sure >>>>>>> if one is actually more secure than the other, just another method to >>>>>>> do things. As I've mentioned a few times before, when the >>>>>>> finger-print sensor was first introduced on the iPhone, there was tons >>>>>>> of noise made about it's probable lack of security compared to the >>>>>>> good old pass-code. Now that we've had it for a while, many people >>>>>>> are making it sound like it's the best thing yet and anything new >>>>>>> won't do. We are all welcome to our opinions, but I believe that it >>>>>>> is beneficial to base these opinions on sound research, rather than >>>>>>> hear-say. You may be right in the end, I'm really not sure, but I >>>>>>> haven't seen anything but arm-chair opinions so far. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 00:05, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do you Beleive Apple's Face ID is SO Secure because Apple Says >>>>>>> So? >>>>>>> Personally, I Beleive >>>>>>> Touch ID is More Secure & Gives Users More Security & Privacy than >>>>>>> Apple's Face ID >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would Apple go Away from The Norm & Keep its iPhoneX special by >>>>>>> Having it be the ONLY iPhone to come Equipped With Face ID for a >>>>>>> Couple of Years to Justify the Price? >>>>>>> Probably Not >>>>>>> At 10:59 PM 10/31/2017, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Facial recog is more secure than finger prints in this products >>>>>>>> case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But yes an identical twin would be required and then I believe may >>>>>>>> still struggle. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll be surprised if someone doesn't crack the facial recognition >>>>>>>> some time soonn as they did pretty quickly with samsungs galaxy s8 >>>>>>>> version of it. >>>>>>>> Which I believe is only retinal scan. Or was it iris scanning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But either way, >>>>>>>> If the looking directly at the phone / screen feature is auto >>>>>>>> disabled if vo is active, is that not a good feature for us as they >>>>>>>> have seen there may be an issue for blind / VI users looking actually >>>>>>>> at the phone camera. >>>>>>>> To me this is a forward thought. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 12:56 PM >>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first >>>>>>>> 18 hours - CNET >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While I don't wish to minimize anyone's concerns, Face ID even >>>>>>>> without the eye contact feature is still very secure. You basically >>>>>>>> need to be a twin to be able to fool the system from most things I've >>>>>>>> heard or read. When the finger-print sensor was first introduced on >>>>>>>> the iPhone, there was quite a bit of noise made about possible >>>>>>>> security flaws, and now we're touting it as more secure than Face ID. >>>>>>>> I'm just not confident in many of these opinions out there. Joe >>>>>>>> Public just doesn't have the in-depth data required to do a proper >>>>>>>> assessment of its true security risks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 17:32, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The thing that makes me sad is that Apple, by all accounts, including >>>>>>>> theirs, is abandoning touch ID completely on the phone. The security >>>>>>>> issue is specifically if you disable that part of face id that >>>>>>>> requires you to actually look at the phone. 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