Hello Jonathan, This is the first OS not to have a French voice during installation since voices in other languages began to be provided. That may have been as far back as Lion. That’s why I say that High Sierra is a disgrace. Localisation has been deteriorating and I’ve reported many of the problems to Apple to no avail. In Sierra, the word Folder has not been localised although it used to be. In other situations, the wrong word or expression has been used.
Cheers, Anne > On 18 Nov 2017, at 22:37, Jonathan Cohn <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes it was an upgrade, and I am usually more careful than I was with this > upgrade. Usually I clone the current OS to a spare partition on my external, > make a time machine backup after the install app has been downloaded but > before actually starting the upgrade. But considering that most of my > important documents are now in the cloud I was feeling "lucky" and anxious to > try out some of the new features. > > It sounds to me like Apple needs to do a bit more customization of either the > Apple Installer, the migration process, or the initial startup screen where > one picks the default language in order to better non-english speakers. One > would think that customizations based on the App Store location would not be > too difficult to implement, or perhaps a primary language selector that gets > executed before the actual install process runs. I am fairly confident that > the install High Sierra application does additional downloads during the > upgrade / installation process. > > I was also surprised at how small the number of supported languages is in > VoiceOver. Nuance does support more languages unles I am mistaken. > > Could somebody who writes for a living post a suggested letter to Apple > indicating the need for support for a person's primary language when first > starting VoiceOver. > Thanks, > > > Jonathan Cohn > > > >> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Anne Robertson <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hello Jonathan, >> >> I presume this upgrade was just that, not a clean install? >> I always prefer to make a bootable USB key to install a new version of the >> OS and to take the opportunity to do a bit of housekeeping on my computer. >> It looks as though about a third of the people on my French list who’ve done >> an upgrade rather than a clean install, have had fairly major problems with >> High Sierra. >> For French speakers, there’s an additional problem in that the French voice >> does not become available until the installation is complete, and even then, >> you have to go into VoiceOver Utility to get one. >> This is the worst new version of the OS that I can remember and I’m not >> putting High Sierra on my personal computer for the time being. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> >>> On 18 Nov 2017, at 18:11, Jonathan Cohn <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Well, the upgrade to High Sierra for me was not as smooth as the last two >>> upgrades. >>> >>> Basic information: >>> mid 2015 MacBookAir 11 inch with all upgrades possible. >>> File Vault installed. >>> >>> I started the upgrade but was on a network that was not performing well at >>> first so I believe most of my issues were related to that. >>> >>> 1. After waiting a bit after clicking the restart button, I came back and >>> my Macintosh was saying "Installer has no windows". That was all VoiceOver >>> would say. >>> >>> I got my wife to look at the screen and it said installation had failed, >>> and I needed to power off and then power back on. I needed to do not just a >>> power on but a power on with command-R clicked. At this point I was >>> prompted for installing High Sierra and proceeded. My wife actually did the >>> work from the recovery partition and so VoiceOver was not turned on for the >>> process. >>> After about 20 minutes the system rebooted and prompted for file vault >>> access but I could not get File Vault prompts to speak. So it was back to >>> my wife. After putting in passwords installation process phase 2 started >>> and ran for about 35 minutes. I was able to turn on VoiceOver after about 2 >>> minutes of this installation and everything went smoothly for me from there. >>> >>> First observations, I was surprised that SIRI did not have permission for >>> my location and that Facebook did. In general I really don't like Facebook >>> knowing that much information about me. I also noticed when I was in the >>> privacy settings that the selected item in a table seemed to become >>> unselected when I moved around a bit causing me to have to re-find the >>> application I wanted to review options for. This might have changed once I >>> adjusted VoiceOver navigation options. >>> Also was a little disappointed at the reduced number of options in the >>> Navigation area of VoiceOver utility. Though I will review what folks were >>> saying about mouse clicks now that I am on this system, and see what >>> happens in various modes. >>> >>> >>> I like the ability to directly enter values into sliders though the >>> interface seems to need a little cleanup. I'll write later about my views >>> on this but obviously the only way to get results is to provide appropriate >>> feedback directly to Apple. >>> >>> HTH those still waiting to upgrade, >>> >>> Jonathan Cohn >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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