Hi, I don't remember now if it was the update to Sierra or High Sierra when this started for me. I sort of feel dumb for having to ask this but how do you tell exactly which view you're using?
Thanks, Gabe > On Jan 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Eric Caron <eric.caro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Alex and others, > > In addition to the responses here I received at least one off list from > a very experienced mac user. I’m glad I’m not alone. this happened on my > upgrade to high Sierra. > For the past two years I was working on a conference for guide dog > users. If this bug had been happening I would not have been able to complete > that important task. this is a huge productivity hit. I thought it was just > me but as it is clearly effecting others I dearly hope Apple is working on a > fix. > > At this time I try really hard not to make errors in my emails! > > Eric Caron > > > On Jan 13, 2018, at 18:43, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com > <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: > > When did this email thing start, and is it for a specific view? > > I'm using a Mac to type this, in standard view, and I'm not seeing any of > these problems. In fact, I'm on the beta cycle for 10.12, and I've never seen > this problem once since my first upgrade last summer. As this is past beta > stuff, I feel okay talking about it here. Hope the mods don't mind. > > -- > Alex Hall > > > > >> On Jan 13, 2018, at 17:25, Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com >> <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Yes, this is what I was referring to when I said you had to get to the line, >> and sometimes the word, you want to edit by interacting specifically on that >> line. It usually works if you use the up and down arrows to get to the line >> you want, then the left and right arrows to get to the word, then interact. >> Not always. This has got to be one of the most aggravating aspects of my >> MacBook right now, other than the frequent “busy” messages and the sudden >> freezing then returning of VoiceOver at random times. I also have been >> experiencing a bunch of rapid clicks, often accompanied by VO not working, >> while reading a page in a browser. >> Christine >> >> >>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Gabe Griffith <gabrielgriff...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:gabrielgriff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The problem I have is when I want to edit something in an email I can't get >>> the cursor to the spot I want to edit and it is editing in a different part >>> of the email. Compounding this issue is that my cursor often jumps around >>> and I find myself typing somewhere other than where I meant to be. >>> >>> Gabe >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman >>> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 1:47 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: Mail composing issue >>> >>> >>> >>>> I have found that if you wait about ten seconds, the changes show without >>>> having to shut off VO. I have also found that is often extremely difficult >>>> to edit without interacting with the text exactly where you want to make >>>> the edits. Additionally, I have resorted much of the time to the text edit >>>> method, or dictation. Iwill sometimes make edits on my iPhone by going >>>> into the Drafts folder. All in all, a real pain. >>> Christine >>> >>>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Tom Frank <vermont...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:vermont...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Yes. This is a big bug. Apple is aware of the problem but haven’t fixed >>>>> it yet.On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:56 PM, Eric Caron <ecar...@comcast.net >>>>> <mailto:ecar...@comcast.net>> wrote: >>>> Please note there is a grammatical error in the above statement but, with >>>> this bug, I cannot correct it. The only way aroung this is to type >>>> something in text edit and then copy and paste it into your email. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi listers, >>>>> >>>>> When composing emails I have a strange problem when trying to edit a >>>>> message. >>>>> >>>>> When I go back into a message to change something I can’t hear the >>>>> change. It is like nothing happened. Then when I turn off voice over >>>>> and turn it on again, my changes can be heard. 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