Hey Lenron,

One thing I'm thinking about--among many--is picking up a used 8 and then just 
waiting things out for a couple of years.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Sep 1, 2018, at 3:42 PM, lenron brown <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> You say with in a year getting slow nah it should be fine. I know
> people using the 6s with no issues. I am using the 7plus and it's
> running just fine. You don't need the latest and greatest these days.
> Took me a long time to realize that when it came to phones, I use to
> upgrade every year. I will upgrade next year for sure but that will be
> to get the 5g technology.
> 
> On 9/1/18, Maria Reyes <[email protected]> wrote:
>> You have to keep in mind that Face ID is a first gen product like Touch ID
>> was when it was first released. I love my iPhone X and Face ID works for
>> me.
>> 
>> From: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries
>> [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 4:33 AM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Apple Annoyances Was Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes
>> 
>> Well I for one am not about to give up my Apple products and go to the
>> darkside. I bought my new Mac this past March and just recently purchased an
>> iPhone 8 and they're both working great. As for the iPhone, I'm going to
>> keep this 8 until they decide to stop supporting it. I'm also reluctant to
>> switch to Face ID but not because of what's been said on here. I have no
>> problems swiping up to go home or to use Face ID to unlock the phone. What's
>> really deterring me is the method to use Apple Pay. I use Apple Pay almost
>> everywhere except for Walmart of course who still uses old and obsolete
>> methods for payment. It's nice to just point my phone at the debit machine
>> and hold my finger on the Touch ID sensor to make my purchase. With face ID
>> it sounds like you have to point the phone at the machine, point it at your
>> face, then point it back at the machine and double press the side button It
>> would be nice if Apple could eliminate some of these steps. Maybe when they
>> stop supporting the iPhone 8 hopefully Apple Pay will be quicker than it is
>> now. If not, I guess I'll just have to persevere.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>> P.S. On the 2017 MacBook Air, there's still a startup chime. Weird how they
>> discontinued it for one computer and not on another.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 1, 2018, at 1:15 AM, David Chittenden
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> According to the rumours, Apple will be removing touch ID from all the new
>> devices.
>> 
>> It is important to note: Apple has been on a quest to remove all buttons,
>> switches, and so forth for several years, so I expect these rumours are
>> accurate.
>> 
>> I do not remember the spelling of the Chinese company, but their new
>> flagship phone has Apple's 3D Face ID, and the touchscreen embedded
>> fingerprint sensor which Apple was reportedly rumoured to be experimenting
>> with last year.
>> 
>> All the other Android Face ID systems are currently using 2D picture
>> matching Face ID.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On 1 Sep 2018, at 15:24, M. Taylor <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> I couldn't agree with you more.
>> 
>> I’m hoping that Apple will, in fact, maintain some form of Touch ID.  I just
>> can't imagine that they would completely eliminate such a trusted form of ID
>> verification.
>> 
>> Of course, I said the same thing about removing the headphone jack and we
>> all know how that turned out (smile).
>> 
>> Personally, I have absolutely no desire to use Face ID.
>> 
>> Let's just wait and see what happens on September 12th, okay?
>> 
>> By the way, it is for this and other reasons why I continue to purchase and
>> use Android devices; you know, just in case Apple takes this big brother
>> thing, a little too far for my tastes (smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>> [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 6:46 PM
>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes
>> 
>> You know, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm feeling frustrated with
>> Apple.  I was really hoping that the new iPhone models would include an
>> option for a faster iPhone 8.  Face ID sucks.  It takes significantly longer
>> to unlock your phone, and is much more finicky.  I'm feeling resentful that
>> Apple is trying to force me into a technology that I have tried, and do not
>> like.  I don't want Face ID.  I don't need a ginormous screen.  I sure as
>> h*** don't need three cameras.  I'm starting to wonder if my next phone will
>> be a cheapy that makes calls and texts, and I do the rest from my Mac.  I
>> don't want some giant tech company to dictate how I will use technology.  If
>> Apple wants to continue to promote face recognition to the exclusion of more
>> convenient technologies, that's their prerogative.  But they should have
>> kept a touch option available for those of us who tried face ID and know it
>> sucks.  And as for the new flick up for home?  It sucks, too.  Being able to
>> quickly press a home button--be it actual or virtual--was much more
>> efficient.  My only power--small though it may be--is my purchasing power.
>> And I am really wondering if my next phone will be a non-Apple product.
>> 
>> I know this is only tangentially related to the start-up chime, but I feel
>> it's all part of the same thing.  Why not leave the chime enabled, or at
>> least make it an option for those who want it?  Why should Apple be deciding
>> this for us?  They seem to want to make an argument that they are not
>> big-brotherish, but actually, they're no better than the rest.
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2018, at 7:51 PM, lenron brown
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> Stupid that they removed it.
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/31/18, Simon Fogarty
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> Hi shaun,
>> 
>> Yeah the line in the web page details that say:
>> Feature removed by apple on latest firmware, doesn't work anymore.”
>> Kind of says to me that this doesn’t work anymore.
>> 
>> Oh well, other people can keep trying.
>> 
>> From: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> Sent: Friday, 31 August 2018 6:03 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes
>> 
>> There is no proof that this command works. I've heard from experts
>> that it doesn't but go ahead and try it yourself.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime:
>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]>>
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Anders Holmberg
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]>>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Found this link.
>> https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tutorial-disable-auto-boot-on-ne
>> w-macbook-pros.2011044/
>> Try that and see if it helps.
>> /A
>> 
>> 29 aug. 2018 kl. 11:32 skrev Simon Fogarty
>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]>>>:
>> 
>> Hi Listers
>> 
>> Ok so I'm kind of getting  hacked off with the fact my new work Mac
>> Book Pro doesn't do the start up chimes that Apple / mac computers
>> have done since long before I started using Mac products.
>> 
>> I've got VO starting at log in but when for some reason I need to
>> force restart for some unknown reason, if I use the power button to
>> turn off / on the machine I never know when it's restarting until it
>> starts talking to me, If I'm lucky enough for vo to still be
>> talking.I know this effects us all, But have we ever or has anyone
>> ever contacted Apple accessibility to explain that this chime at
>> start up would be really useful to us the sight impaired to know when
>> / if our machines are starting up Or do in my case I just keep
>> thinking the batteries dead and put it on mains power when I don't
>> need to.
>> 
>> Any thoughts appreciated.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Slightly P'd off mac book pro user.
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